Nothing to add except that I have never owned  tranceiver that did not
sound better on headphones or an external speaker(s).

On Sep 17, 2016 8:02 AM, "Alan. G4GNX" <g4...@theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:

> Well guys (and gals) so far there have been 34 replies on this thread and
> I'm grateful for every one of them.
>
> I guess we need to try out forming some kind of hood to see if that will
> work for the complainers and if that fails we may need to try an external
> speaker.
>
> We actually had one guy last week (who is the main complainer) who boldly
> stated that he was a hi-fi buff and I just groaned silently! I also agree
> with the appliance-operator syndrome, where "it's no good unless it's
> totally plug and play"!
>
> Several points come to mind:
>
> The comparison with the IC7300 seems to be a fair one to me, because that
> rig also has an upward facing internal speaker and we did disconnect the
> external speaker to check. To my ears (and several others) the IC7300 had
> far better "quality" audio, but that said it is probably not optimum for
> Amateur communications, which is what many don't seem to realise is what we
> are 'actually' trying to achieve.
>
> It may pay us to find time to experiment with the DSP settings with the
> complainers in the same room but unable to see the adjustments, to see if
> they can be appeased, but I have my doubts because I suspect that the
> prejudice is already well entrenched.
>
> I brought the IC7300 home and compared it with my IC7100 and it didn't
> show a great deal of difference, perhaps slightly better because the IC7300
> is in a bigger enclosure. I haven't yet made a comparison with my own K3.
>
> One of the greatest problems with club owned equipment is the variation in
> members' preferences as well as poor test conditions. In a large room with
> many people, it's impossible to keep them all quiet and some folks seem to
> think it's OK to stand right next to the operator/s and discuss some other
> topic - LOUDLY. The only answer there seems to be headphones. The same goes
> for filed days/contests.
>
> Perhaps we should start to wind this thread up now before it outstays its
> welcome? :-)
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:58 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 audio quality
>
> I was not going to "chime in" on this thread because that "horse" has
> been thoroughly beat to death in the past.
>
> Let's face it, a small speaker like that used in the K3/K3S is not going
> to produce astounding bass and since it faces upwards away from your
> ears, the high frequency sounds are going to get lost.
> I believe it does exceptionally well for its size and quality.
>
> If you want good quality speaker audio from your K3/K3S, you are going
> to have to use external speakers - pick your quality there too.  I use a
> pair of old Radio Shack Optimus speakers that I picked up for cheap at a
> 2nd hand store.  The 4 inch drivers sound great with my K3, but being 4
> inch drivers they are not expected to produce 'resounding bass', but
> that is not required for communications.  The internal speaker sounds
> worse by comparison, but is usable if the external speakers are not
> available.
>
> So, if you are comparing the audio between two radios, don't rely on the
> internal speakers.  Connect each one to good quality speakers - that way
> you are comparing the radio's audio, and not the quality of the internal
> speakers.  Some radios produce better quality audio from their internal
> speakers than others - for instance the KX3 internal speaker is far
> inferior to the internal speaker used in the KX2.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
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