The Southern Pacific RR [now Union Pacific] used 160 MHz DDRR antennas on some of their signalling equipment. Generally on top of a big steel box beside the track(s). Had a base plate bolted to the box, and a single 25-30 cm element, parallel to the top of the box, spaced about 6-7 cm above it. The whole antenna looked like it was cast in one piece. For 20 m, it would be significantly larger, but might be disguised as, or in, a roof rack. A lot of folks drive around with stuff piled on their cars these days.

http://www.orionmicro.com/ant/ddrr/ddrr1.htm has some design info

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/15/17 8:37 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
Regarding the defrost heat element, there's two terminals, one on either side. However with the resistance of the defrost wiring in the window, it might be more like a dummy load. Of course one could just feed one side against the auto body, unless one drives a Corvette which is mostly plastic. grrrr

Seems I recall a DDRR antenna which was a low profile, roof mountable antenna. The 40M version would be a bit large with a diameter of some 9 ft, although one might reduce the size and still make a 40M - 10M of reasonable dimensions with reasonable efficiency.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163



On Jul 15, 2017 7:54 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <[email protected]> wrote:

I’m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according
to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.

For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let’s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.

Here are some ideas I’m considering:

- mag loop in the rear window
- thin wire loop on a roof rack
- gamma match to the entire roof
- surface acoustic waves
- prayer

Other ideas?

Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn’t this the
least you’d expect from an unsolved problem?

Thanks in advance,

Wayne
N6KR


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