So, Tom, how would you comment upon a transistorised rig of 50 ohms impedance unbalanced output connected to an unbalanced pi configuration antenna coupling unit (variable C1 between input and ground, variable series L in the hot lead, and variable C2 between output and ground) followed by a balun consisting of about 20 or so turns of coax around a large diameter coil former and the output of the balun connected to a 450 ohm window line running to an inverted vee antenna slightly longer than that required to be resonant at 80 metres and used on 160 metres and all the HF bands?

Kevin,

We are a bit off topic for this reflector and I am severely time limited but I'll try to answer.

Regardless of which side of the unbalanced network the balun is on, you will need the same common mode impedance in the balun. It is ONLY the common mode that heats the core. The differential mode only places an electric field between the conductors, the magnetic flux all cancels fully for differential modes, so the core is totally unaffected by normal "push pull" transmission line currents. It is the impedance from end-to-end of the winding that matters in a true transmission line balun.

That impedance will have to be high enough to have minimal current flow, otherwise the output terminals will never be able to "float' to the proper voltages with respect to earth at the tuner. The required impedance has nothing at all to do with the output impedance of the rig. The impedance and length of the transmission line to the antenna and the antenna certainly affects it, but the transmission line impedance does NOT determine the balun impedance you need in almost any case.

For example if you have a dipole 1/4 wave above earth and bring a transmission line directly down to earth where one side is grounded, you would have virtually no unbalance at all in antenna or feedline currents. This would be true if the feedline was coax or open wire line. The common mode impedance of the line itself would act like a nearly perfect balun.

If you added a balun at the earth, you could easily make the system worse of it was fed with coax! The better the balun at earth with coax, the worse the feedline radiation would be in this case. This is why a balun has to be at the transition point between balanced and unbalanced parts of the system.

You could, with the "wrong' length of feedline in combination with a certain antenna, need many thousands of ohms of common mode impedance in the balun. You will never get that with an air core balun on any more than one band, and that would be the band where the balun is self-resonant. Air core baluns are fine when dealing with low controlled impedances like the feedpoint of a dipole, but they aren't very good in multiband systems with uncontrolled impedances.

You would probably need a low loss tangent or "high Q" core (at the operating frequency range) with very high impedance for high power. That might be 20 turns on a 3 inch high stack of 61 material (Q=350 at 1 MHz). For really high power, higher frequencies, or higher impedances you might want 67 materials, with a Q of 400 at 2 MHz. 65 and 43 materials are generally adequate at lower power and can use a smaller core size.

I used a binocular stack several inches tall of 68 material (Q=350 at 7 MHz) with just a few turns (maybe 5 or 10, I can't recall) of HV insulated twisted pair for high power SW BC baluns.

The only place I ever use air cores are on my yagis or dipoles. Monoband applications with controlled modest impedances.

One way to solve all this without a special balun design is a true balanced tuner, but that is expensive. The other thing is most people don't know and don't care if the system radiates from the feeder or not. If nothing smokes or arcs and people answer them...they are happy.

Sorry I'm out of time for now, but I hope this helps get some experimenting with the right cores. You absolutely do NOT want 73, 65, 33, or 43 cores at high power or with high voltage from the feeder to earth, and while an air core might not heat it likely won't be doing much balancing either unless in a 50 ohm system right at the balanced to unbalanced transition.

73 Tom
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