At 01:25 PM 6/7/2005, Araucaria Araucana wrote:
On  6 Jun 2005 at 21:20 UTC-0700, Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote:
> What if we had IRV with Approval? What is that called?

ERIRV(whole):

Equal-Rank [allowed], Instant Runoff Voting, whole [votes counted for
equal rank].

In other words, each round of the runoff becomes an approval election
rather than a single-vote-transfer election.

Let me make sure I understand. If we had a face-to-face meeting, and an election was held by show of hands, which is not an uncommon thing, I've never seen a rule that prevents a person from voting for more than one candidate. And the winner is the person with the most hands shown. Essentially, approval voting is *standard*. The oddity is the practice of discarding ballots which are multiply-marked, as if they were somehow defective. Does anyone know the history of that practice?

Thus IRV would automatically become a more sophisticated Approval election if the discard rule were repealed.

I've certainly seen it noted that Approval voting would be very simple to implement, requiring no changes to voting equipment, but I've never seen this aspect of it mentioned, that it really only involves restoring to secret ballots something that is standard practice in face-to-face elections.

I can see only one argument for the practice of discarding multiply-marked ballots, and it is singularly weak. A corrupt election worker could weaken votes by adding extra marks. But this is truly weak because in the event that this occurred, it would be closer to legitimacy, under most circumstances, to count the ballot than to discard it. Discarding it helps to accomplish the purpose of the corrupt worker. The only way to truly void a ballot with extra marks would be to mark all candidates. In which case it is moot whether the ballot is kept or discarded. As long as one candidate remains unmarked, we would know that the original voter's intent excluded that candidate.

Anyway, the point is that it is singularly odd that Approval is considered a separate election method. It really is something that would exist in simple plurality elections if not for a special rule created to prevent it.

So promoting Approval voting might be as simple as pointing out the injustice of it. I can't see any reason for *preventing* a person from voting for more than one candidate. Allowing it merely adds to the freedom of the voter without complicating the process. For me, the question is "Why not" rather than "Why?"


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