On Dec 2, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:

At 06:30 PM 12/1/2008, Jonathan Lundell wrote:

I don't really see a need for equal-ranking in a single-winner
election. As a voter, I'm answering the question "if you were
dictator, of this set of candidates, who would you choose?". I don't
really need the option of naming two candidates to the same office; if I really have no preference between them, I can flip a coin, or choose
the tallest, or ugliest, or whatever.

Odd, in fact, this is the way a "strategic voter" thinks. I.e., "if this election turns out to be close, and my vote can decide it, how should I vote?

If you have no preference, why do you vote at all? By flipping a coin, you are simply adding noise to the system, with no expected value to yourself, but it might harm others.

My question is not whether or not Jonathan Lundell needs equal ranking, but whether or not we should *prohibit* voters from equal- ranking. We do it now, in the U.S., and the result is a lot of spoiled ballots, for starters. The result is spoiled elections, for another effect. None of this explains why it is prohibited. Why? If a voter decides not to make a choice between two candidates, but to support both of them, why should it be prohibited? What's the harm? The voter is adding voting power, yes, but at the same time the voter is losing voting power. The voter is voting in more pairwise elections (with one vote more), but is abstaining from a pairwise election, between the two candidates. These are really alternative votes, effective simultaneously. I.e.: If A isn't going to win, please count my vote for B. And if B isn't going to win, please count my vote for A. It's like preferential voting, but symmetrical. And, of course, this action effectively abstains from deciding between those two candidates, but does contribute toward a majority for either, as the winner, if that is needed.

Why should it be prohibited, why should we discard the expressed votes of someone who votes for more than one candidate in a single- winner election?


I guess what I'm trying to say is that the problem of discerning a
honest vote from a strategic (optimizing) one seems to be inherent
to all cardinal methods, because we can't read voters' minds. That
is, unless the external comparison can be made part of the ballot
itself.

I suggest that the problem is worse than that: that the voters can't
even read their own minds, in this sense. Suppose that I would have
ranked Edwards > Obama > Clinton in the recent US primaries. Fine, I
can make Edwards=100, but I really don't have the foggiest idea what
it would mean to make Obama=75 as opposed to Obama=50. Do I like
Edwards "twice as much" as Obama? What can that possibly mean? It
seems to me that range voting (including approval) immediately reduces
to a purely strategic exercise. And what I'd prefer to do is to
eliminate (to the extent possible) the motivation to strategize at all.


We can tell that you have not really considered Range Voting much. You've left out a totally critical piece of information. Two, actually. You haven't described the candidate set, and you have not described which candidates you thought were in range of winning. You don't need that second piece of information to decide how to vote, and certainly it doesn't need to be very accurate, but it makes deciding how to vote much easier, and, at the same time, makes it more effective.

So I'll describe how to "sincerely rate" three candidates. When those are the only choices, or, we might suggest, the only realistic ones. Doesn't this simplify the problem? I.e., there are twenty candidates, how the BFH do you rate them all? Answer. You don't, except to classify the unimportant ones or the ones you don't know. I'd either classify them bottom, in most Range methods, or maybe at default (midrange) in some.

You only need to determine a vote for realistic candidates. You can add any others and how you vote exactly, will depend on the Range implementation.

I'll assume Range 100. But I won't use all that information.

First of all, I'd vote for my favorite at max. I'm going to assume that my Favorite isn't one of the three!

Favorite 100.

Now, I'll look at the "important" candidates. Do I want to participate in the choice between them? If so, that's exactly what I will do, with (almost) one full vote;

Okay, Edwards>Obama>Clinton.

Edwards, 99
Clinton, 0.

If I want to express that I like Clinton better than some on the ballot, I might rate Clinton at 1. These are votes, the word "rating" is misleading. In Plurality, remember, I'd vote for one -- which one? my favorite or Edwards. That is the same as max rating one and rating at 0 everyone else.

Range Voting is just Approval Voting with fractional votes allowed. Allowed, not required. Just as Approval is Plurality with simultaneous votes allowed. Again, Allowed, not required.

Where to rate Obama. At 100%, jerk! -- just kidding!

Which would I consider more important, that Edwards beat Obama or that Obama beat Clinton, if it was a tossup which of these elections was the real one, the one that counts, the one where my vote counts?

In other words, roughly, *how much better is Edwards than Obama, or Obama than Clinton*.

You only have one vote to spread out, you want to put most of it where it is most likely to do some good. That would be, zero- knowledge, in the election pair where you care the most.

But remember, this is only one vote. Vote approximately, that's all that is needed. But, of course, if you know which of these pairwise elections is the one that will really count, you can simply vote in that one. With Range 100, I would always preserve preference order, there isn't sufficient loss of voting power to outweigh the satisfaction and other values to indicated whom I prefer, if I have a preference. Even if my preferred candidate has zero chance of winning.

(Pure von Neumann-Morganstern utilities would show infinitesimal difference in rating with infinitesimal probability of winning. It would put all the voting eggs into real baskets.)

(Somebody tell us how to calculate von Neumann-Morganstern utilities from absolute ones, okay? I'm too lazy to figure it out at the moment.)

So: how could I estimate my preference strengths? I'd start by midrating Clinton. That's a Borda count vote, and Borda is quite a respectable method. To vote Borda, in Range, I'd suggest considering clones identical, they will be rated the same because you have no preference between them. By definition. This is one way that Range is superior to Borda; Borda with equal ranking allowed *is* Range (that is, as many ratings as there are candidates, so if one equal ranks, there is a rank emptied each time one equally ranks. Then distribute the candidate sets though the rating space. In this case, three candidates, we've already placed one at max (almost), the other at min, so Obama goes at 50%. You could leave it at that. How does it look? Is Obama better or worse than "in the middle? If so, nudge it until it seems better. Already, you are deciding less than one-half vote. One vote isn't a big deal, in public elections, how much is one half vote, or one-fourth vote?

Now, I made it simpler by considering that the three were the only viable candidates. If there are more, again, and you want to vote zero-knowledge, sincere, starting with a Borda vote is quite reasonable. Group together candidates that seem equally good or bad, you will get more reasonable ratings. And spread them across the space in preference order. And then nudge them if it doesn't seem reasonably expressive of how you feel or judge them.

Your vote is going to be averaged together with many other votes. It's like a guess. Large numbers of people making a guess that is averaged together can come up with surprisingly accurate results, under the right conditions.

You could get a little more sophisticated. How much would you be willing to contribute to the election campaign of each of these. I'd guess, for the primary, that you wouldn't send money to Clinton. 0. If she was the candidate for the party, that's a different thing. *Range ratings are relative, not absolute. Voting 0 for Clinton does not mean that you detest her. It just means that, in this election, you are not adding weight to her as a choice. You *certainly* are not enthusiastic about her. So how much would you be willing to contribute as a campaign donation to either Edwards or Obama, suppose you can't tell which it will be, but it will be one of them. Say the money goes to a Dump-Clinton PAC. Let's say, $100. Okay, you actually are going to contribute this, right? This is sincere, and the actual donation proves it. Except that, of course, you are going to divide up the money between them. Where do you send your $100? If it goes entirely to Edwards, you are an idiot. Sorry, got carried away.

But seriously, if you've decided to send it all to Edwards, that's where your vote should go, too, I'd suggest. They are the same thing, both help advance a candidate, and you prefer Obama to Clinton, so, really what's that worth to you. Sending all the money to Edwards means it isn't worth anything to you.

Already already. $80 to Edwards and $20 to Obama. (Imagine, you'd be able to tell your grandchildren that you did, in fact, send a contribution to the Obama campaign, before he was the Democratic candidate.) You'd want to assign your sincere vote to the same relative value. But Edwards is at (almost) 100 rating. So both votes would be increased proportionally from the relative dollar value Edwards 99, Obama, 25.

If that seems too low for Obama, maybe you should reassess your contribution ratio.

Look, there are many ways to do it, and they are all fine, except one thing should be understood. To the extent that you don't vote the full range for the set of reasonable winners, you are abstaining from the real election. Range is just a more sophisticated version of Plurality, after all. You want to exercise full voting power, vote a full vote. Want it to count, to actually have a chance of influencing the outcome, vote it for a candidate who can win. Think that this is circular. Fine. Vote with pure sincerity, don't worry about who will win. But, note, I had you vote 100% for your Favorite. You could not do more for that candidate, except that you might consider derating Edwards; the problem is that, by the conditions set up, your favorite winning is really impossible. Polls can be off, but not *that* far. So the vote would be merely symbolic.

Probably the simplest method, if one has any difficulty, is to use a Borda method, spread the candidates, in preference order, across the Range. Saari will think you are a genius, and I'm sure he won't mind that you, while you are at it, fix the little ICC problem that Borda has. (Borda is vulnerable to manipulation through clones. It's fixed with equal ranking. In fact, allowing equal ranking does nice things to just about every voting system. It would make IRV much better. Think about it: the voter could vote Approval style. Or IRV style. Voter concerned about Later No Harm? Fine. Guarantee it. Only three ranks on the ballot, but you'd like to show support for a fourth candidate? Fine, add another vote in third rank. Or shove two candidates into rank one or two.

Most voters won't do it and won't need it, but the few percent who do can sometimes improve election results greatly *and they will not harm them.*


Phew. QED, I say.
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