Dnia 2017-01-02, o godz. 17:50:41 Evan Czaplicki <[email protected]> napisał(a):
> I recently talked with folks who moderate the various Elm discussion forums > about the challenges that come up and how we can do better. > > The short version is: *we should start migrating more discussion to /r/elm > <https://www.reddit.com/r/elm/>.* In short version: then I am off. > Now the long version! > I think it's fair to say that /r/elm is much more easily > accessible and "public facing" for newcomers. So let r/elm be a first-help channel for the newcomers. Who in the sticky (pinned in r-lingo iirc) faq will be given links to mail clients and to books how to use a mail client andThen directed here. > Problems with elm-discuss: > > - Threads are linear, so it's hard for people to branch off into > sub-discussions. Excuse me, both my email clients (claws/mutt) show elm-* threads perfectly. Unlike reddit or g-groups web [.expl.] half baked things. > - There's no voting mechanism in elm-discuss, so topics are sorted by > "are people posting?" not by "do people care?" This is NOT a problem on a mail list for someone who is subscribed to the list. Alas 'do people care' in terms of 'stars' or 'upvotes' or anything else similar is - at least for me - against the user. It makes some topics fashionable/hot and these are (in web interfaces) on top. Important, valuable, hard topics are pushed off the sight of the web interface user. In contrary, on the mailing list one at least sees the 'Subject' line of recently posted threads. And then have it avaliable for grep. > - Moderation to avoid spam is more difficult. All new users are > moderated by default to avoid those awful spam robots that Google Groups > does not catch. This is NOT a problem for someone subscribed to a mail list. I am not that long here - my grep '^From\s' march/elm*|wc -l shows 1957 messages (both -discuss and -dev) - and NO single piece of spam is there. > - It goes to people's already full inboxes. If you change this, you use > the online interface, which is not amazing. It goes straight to its dedicated maildir via miracle of ol' pale procmail. The same miracle g-tags can do for gmail users; in easy clickable way. > Problems from having two long-form forums: > > - Lots of valuable expertise *only* lives on elm-discuss. When new folks > come to /r/elm, there are not as many folks with as much production > experience. So let someone (a pinned faq post?) there direct newcomers here. Possibly with a word about things that existed before web (like aforementioned e-mail clients). > - Blog posts (frequently shared on /r/elm) miss out on a lot of valuable > feedback. As above: tell people to post links also here, eg. with customary [BLOG] tag. > They also have an interesting approach to answering beginner questions > <https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/5ljizz/is_there_a_rust_equivalent_to_rlearnpython/> > that Yep. Pinned posts are good to tell people that there is a thing called email and it can be used to post and receive valuable information about elm :). TL;DR. r/elm should exist as an entry point for the newcomers. elm-discuss should stay for real discussions. P.S. Thanks for keeping Elm simple :) -- Wojciech S. Czarnecki ^oo^ OHIR-RIPE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Elm Discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
