Hi again, since this is not the first time that this matter is discussed, and since this time Evan launched it, it means that it is an important matter for the community and it's going to evolve anytime soon ^^. So, instead of discussing it here with passion and obvious bias since we are on the mailing list, what would you think of asking the questions to all the community in a more objective way?
What I think of is for example a google form like the one below, that would be accessible from all the community entry points (slack, reddit, mailing list, ...). Please tell if you like the idea, or not. (sorry for the long post XD) # Community Checkpoint Form --------------- PROFILE What is your experience with elm ? - New here - Not so much experience (1-2 completed projects) - Start feeling confident (understand most of it, multiple successful projects) - Total expert (yeah I even master effect managers, native code, etc.) Are you familiar with functional programming? - What is that? - I know the basics - Yes I use it regurlarly - Peace of cake, I'm currently doing a PhD on homotopy type theory for functional programming --------------- COMMUNITY Some description here to introduce the dilemna between Reddit, Google Groups (alias mailing list), and something else dedicated (let's say a Discourse). Did you know about: o The elm Reddit? o The elm Slack? o The elm discussion group (mailing list)? Are you currently a Reddit user? - No - Yes, sometimes - Yes, everytime Are you currently a Google Groups user? - No - Yes, sometimes - Yes, everytime Are you currently using a Discourse forum? - No - Yes, sometimes - Yes, everytime Rank your preferences between those: 1. elm Reddit 1. elm discussion group (mailing list) 1. elm Discourse (If you ranked first Reddit) would you volunteer to help with the moderation? - yes/no (If you ranked first the mailing list) would you volunteer to help with the moderation? - yes/no (If you ranked first Discourse) would you volunteer to help with the creation, funding of the server, or moderation of this forum? - yes/no (If you answered yes to one of the previous volunteering questions) please give us details of what you would like to do and a way to contact you in case this might go further: ------------ | | ------------ Anything you would like to add? ------------ | | ------------ On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 2:51:05 AM UTC+1, Evan wrote: > > I recently talked with folks who moderate the various Elm discussion > forums about the challenges that come up and how we can do better. > > The short version is: *we should start migrating more discussion > to /r/elm <https://www.reddit.com/r/elm/>.* > > Now the long version! > > > How Things Are Now > > Long-form discussion is split between elm-discuss and /r/elm > <https://www.reddit.com/r/elm/>. There are a lot of regulars that spend > more time on elm-discuss, but I think it's fair to say that /r/elm is much > more easily accessible and "public facing" for newcomers. This creates some > problems. > > Problems with elm-discuss: > > - Threads are linear, so it's hard for people to branch off into > sub-discussions. > - There's no voting mechanism in elm-discuss, so topics are sorted by > "are people posting?" not by "do people care?" > - Moderation to avoid spam is more difficult. All new users are > moderated by default to avoid those awful spam robots that Google Groups > does not catch. > - It goes to people's already full inboxes. If you change this, you > use the online interface, which is not amazing. > > Problems from having two long-form forums: > > - Lots of valuable expertise *only* lives on elm-discuss. When new > folks come to /r/elm, there are not as many folks with as much production > experience. > - Blog posts (frequently shared on /r/elm) miss out on a lot of > valuable feedback. > > > How Things Could Be > > Right now I'm just suggesting that folks who are regulars here get on > /r/elm and see if you like it. I'd like to start by shifting the center of > gravity for community discussion. > > Longer term though, things could look more like how Rust does it. It seems > like /r/rust <https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/> is the center of gravity > for community discussion. See their sidebar! They moderate content well and > have > some laughs > <https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/5l08o5/rust_is_literally_haskell/>. > (I personally think it's very important for moderators to be active in > guiding people towards *friendly* discussion! That's super hard on > elm-discuss.) > > They also have an interesting approach to answering beginner questions > <https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/5ljizz/is_there_a_rust_equivalent_to_rlearnpython/> > that > I think it'd be good to try out! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Elm Discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
