Bastien Guerry writes:
Maybe this is where some misunderstanding arose: to me, there
_project_ to migrate to manual.org -- it was an idea in the air
you made your experiment and we now have the decision at hand
the project is, well, DONE.
We could have done it another way: we could have discussed it as
project, then anticipated that it will prevent Org's code to
to Emacs repository, then discussed the pros and cons before
Thanks for pointing out this alternative.
Several of us working on the manual did recently discuss various
issues on the list. Nicolas had several messages, I responded to
most of them, and others chimed in on particular parts: Achim
Gratz, Kyle Meyer, and Kaushal Modi come to mind immediately, but
there may have been others.
In the past, we could have been assured Carsten would join the
discussion in one way or another as maintainer, working to keep us
on track and guide us to the most productive use of our time.
However, you have chosen to fulfill the duties of maintainer in a
different way, one that does not involve day-to-day interaction
with the volunteers who are themselves choosing to spend time
trying to augment and improve Org mode. I don't argue with this
decision of yours, but to my mind, this is why we are where we are
Certainly, if I had understood in 2013 that my efforts would
eventually work against Org mode by preventing migration of its
code to Emacs repository (an issue that I don't understand fully
but accept as valid), then I would have saved that time for other
pursuits. But, you did not say this at the time, as far as I
remember. My memory is that you were mostly silent.
Similarly, it was clear to me from lurking on the list last year
that Nicolas was going to revive the project. I believe it was
also clear to the others who participated in the conversation on
list, but I don't want to speak for them. You either did not read
that discussion or you did read it and chose not to participate.
Work on the manual project wasn't a secret.
From my point of view, your involvement has come at the 11th hour,
well after much effort has been expended on what several of our
colleagues believe is a contribution to Org mode. I'm pleased
that you are willing to give the project a try, but I want to
insist that you take some responsibility for where we are in this
discussion. I cannot accept that the maintainer scolds me and
others who worked on the project that "we could have done it
another way." This is exactly the responsibility I want to insist
the maintainer accept.
We look to the maintainer for guidance. Please give it to us in a
All the best,
Thomas S. Dye