Hi Bryan, On 6/10/03 10:09 PM, Bryan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
>On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 04:20 PM, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> OK, I give up on Mail. Here's why: ><de-cloak> >I'm sort of the opposite. I've been lurking here for a long time (~98) >and was a "you'll get emailer from me when you pry it from my cold, >dead hard drive..." type, but since switching full time to X it just >wasn't worth the overhead of classic to me. At one time I even had a >project to do an applescript to dump/archive to MySQL from emailer (it >worked, but was slow and never got fleashed out). I was not impressed >by the Mail that came w/ 10.0 & 10.1, but the Mail that came w/ 10.2 >finally won me over. (maybe it also had to do w/ running on a nice new >17" iMac). It has enough ways to make it "homey" to me that I just got >over my long time addiction and have been pretty happy. I haven't had >an AOL account weighing me down to it for about 2 years now, so the >biggest hurdle was already jumped. Actually, there were some things that I really liked: 1. Delete button deletes mail. Wow, what a concept... I've been hitting the delete button for the past two days and am amazed when the darn message doesn't go away. It's going to take me some retraining to get back on the command-d thing for Emailer again. 2. Replies close the original message. 3. Integration with Address Book is the BOMB. In fact, I may take another shot at Mail just for this reason. iSync is going to be my modus operandi going forward (I'm lucky enough to have a compatible phone and pda) and Emailer doesn't fit into that mold. I haven't used AOL for over 4 years, so that's not a real reason for me. I'm mostly pissed about the other things... see below... > >> It doesn't render html correctly at all... heck, I'd rather just drag >> the >> dang file on top of Safari to do that. > >I have yet to see anything that bad about it's HTML rendering. I've >seen similar comments from the guy who was writing the Lockergnome Mac >newsletter when it started up, and yes, it doesn't look like it does in >Mozilla, but some of that had to do w/ sloppy (non-standard) html that >won't validate (I've checked). I've never seen the attraction of html >in mail anyway and prefer plain ascii in everything (one of the reasons >I stayed so in love w/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for so long). I agree... plain text is just a better way to do e-mail for everyone concerned. However, EVERY html mail message that I've gotten has rendered all of the text, but doesn't activate the links nor does it show the graphics. What good is a link in an e-mail when it doesn't work? I'd almost rather do it the Emailer way... just drag the .html file onto Safari or Netscape and let it handle the html stuff. Maybe it's just the newsletters I'm getting. ;) > >> It downloads messages multiple times from the server. Today, I got to >> relive my e-mail from June 1st and 2nd. > >This sounds like a pop3 server problem. I've seen it happen w/ emailer >and mozilla and pine, etc. There are some times when a pop3 server >doesn't properly sync up the read flags w/ any client connected to it. >One possible situation being an ISP changing over to a back-up pop >server that is just receiving on it's own - I've had that happen w/ >about a weeks worth of mail in the queue on me (on an account that I >primarily use Mozilla as the client for). I've never seen this happen >in Mail unless it was also happening on other clients on the same >server. Don't be too quick to judge the client. I'm not quick about ANYTHING anymore... been doing this stuff too long. This was mail from my friend's mailserver (my domains) and my .mac accounts. I've NEVER seen this problem before. Funny part is that when I went back to Emailer and collected my mail, it downloaded EVERYTHING I had received since I started using Mail... even the stuff I had deleted. And it only downloaded it once. Maybe I set up Mail incorrectly... doesn't it download the mail? I'm not good at reading directions and I might have missed something. ;) > >> Attachments aren't really attachments... they are actually in the >> message. Ugh. > >Depends on filetype and encoding - if the mimetype from the sender was >set to be inline, it'll display inline (if it's one that Mail can >handle natively like jpeg, text, html, gif, or pdf). None of this is >very different from most clients that have inline display capability. But can't you turn it off? Ugh-a-mundo. > >> I guess I'll try out Mailsmith next... > >Have fun. I think I'll stay put for now. ></de-cloak> >-- >Bryan Baker After two days back on the Emailer trail, I might give it another try as I'm missing some of the little cool things about Mail... smiles, Jamie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a mail message with a SUBJECT line of "unsubscribe" to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
