On May 17 2013 4:10 AM, EBo wrote: > On May 17 2013 12:50 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: >> Am 17.05.2013 um 05:03 schrieb Kent A. Reed >> <kentallanr...@gmail.com>: >> >>> On 5/16/2013 7:13 PM, Chris Morley wrote: >>>> Filters and remapping are not reasonable alternatives. >>> >>> Chris, I apologize for muddying the water. I threw out those >>> notions >>> based on a misunderstanding of one of Andy's messages (UK and >>> USA---two >>> countries separated by a common language). >>> >>>> Part of the problem is linuxcnc's lack of mission statement or >>>> vision of future. >>>> This problem comes up a lot. >>> >>> Yes, it does. >>> >>> Looking at >>> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BoardOfDirectors >>> , I see >>> >>> "The board of directors will: >>> >>> 1. develop a LinuxCNC mission statement >>> ... >>> 5. maintain a prioritized list of features to be added" >>> >>> Looks like you need to take this up with the Board. >> >> Board? which board? >> >> I understand the current term expired years ago, meaning 'the board' >> does not exist - 'implicit term renewal by forgetting to call for >> elections' is a new legal concept which would be a superb source of >> income for litigation lawyers if applied in the real world >> >> If anybody wonders about the above: I am super-pissed about the >> utterly unprofessional behavior of the past board on the issue. >> >> I also want to make clear which message you guys are sending to your >> constituency by your failure to take _any_ action: >> >> a) well yes, you entrusted us to keep things going by voting for us >> but we dont really care anymore (read as: stick your vote elsewhere >> please) >> b) we are so burnt out that we cant even call it quits and pass the >> buck >> c) the concept of professional responsibility has no meaning for us >> in this context >> >> Not sure this is what you meant to convey, but certainly that is the >> message which arrives - if you dont believe it, listen outside your >> circle >> >> It is about time this be cleaned up, and the onus to get the ball >> rolling falls on a certain Mr Alex Joni, which I understand to have >> been chairman at some point in the past, if memory and google serves >> me right >> >> You dont like the heat: dont go into the kitchen. You dont like the >> chores of non-coding activities: call it quits. But please stop >> prolonging the hiatus. And no more of the 'we are low profile, light >> touch', please. >> >> And: it is not your call to determine if a board is needed or not - >> it is the constituency's call which elected you. >> >> - Michael >> >> >>> It's well known that >>> people work better if they already have something in front of them, >>> so >>> perhaps you could draft what you think a mission statement for the >>> LinuxCNC project should say and pass it to them for consideration. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Kent > > Michael, > > I had to read, reread, and set this aside for a little before > answering > to decide if I wanted to answer you at all (and likely throwing fuel > onto the flames) or just ignore it. I decided against my better > judgment to write something about my views of what you are writing. > > 1) everyone here is a volunteer, this is not a professional society. > If you want to turn it into one, then you need to articulate what you > expect from such a society and see if people want to turn it into > one. > Since this thread is of only tangential interest to me I have not > kept > up with it closely to know just what made you upset, but it is clear > that you are. So, Kent's suggestion that if you have a proposal > (either > for a technical vision statement, defining board member roles, or > whatever else you think is important), then it seems reasonable to me > to > ask you to sketch it up so others can review and edit it. > > 2) a dirty little secret of LinuxCNC is just how little time all the > players spend doing stuff. About 20 years ago I got in the middle of > a > kerflufle and learned that only 4 coders spent more than 10 hours a > month on the project (that is over a sustained period of time, which > is > not to say that people might throw in 40 hours over a course of a > week, > and then not do anything significant for a year). This is not > because > they do not care, but people have jobs, families, children, and can > only > do so much. Some of the pushback and/or silence you get is that the > changes you propose may require a complete overhaul of the design > framework. When I have seen suggestions like that in the past, they > were either met with silence or a "DO NOT TOUCH IT!!!" for the more > vocal members of the crowd. The real reason being is that it took > them > years to tweak their code bases to work, and that they have a > knee-jerk > reaction to having any changes that would require to relearn the > system... Along these lines I generally feel that you should always > give tasks to a person that really cares about the outcome, and not > just > to any one. That said I would at first say that you would be a good > candidate since you obviously care, but the tone and outright > insulting > nature of your response above makes you completely unsuitable to be > given such a role. But I do not think that things have gotten so far > off that people will no longer listen to you and I would say -- if > you > want to see something done then propose, then propose them. If you > want > to see thing
the above got sent out by accident. This is what was to follow... If you want to see LinuxCNC lead by stronger leaders, then lead by example. I would be curious how much time you would have to dedicate to such an endeavor. One way to move forward is to propose such sweeping changes in the context of LinuxCNC-3.0 (or even 4.0), which could give you a clean enough slate to propose ideas that would necessitate complete overhaul of the subsystems. That's my 2c. I hope it is taken as intended -- to encourage you to find a way to harness your angst in a productive way, and not as fuel to the flames. EBo -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AlienVault Unified Security Management (USM) platform delivers complete security visibility with the essential security capabilities. Easily and efficiently configure, manage, and operate all of your security controls from a single console and one unified framework. Download a free trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/alienvault_d2d _______________________________________________ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
