I'm Available ! ( glad this is not an open group Gene ) LOL I'd probably have a queue around the block .
On 25 December 2015 at 18:25, Gene Heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > On Friday 25 December 2015 12:13:06 Sarah Armstrong wrote: > > > As always Stuart hit the nail . > > totally agree , also people dont understand the many thousands of > > hours that it must be by now > > put in by all concerned , into producing what i concider to be an > > outstanding peice of software . > > > > in a lot of cases, as neil suggests as well as others , companys would > > like to use linuxcnc , but for the aspect of > > configuration , and maintence to suit them . and or having someone to > > shout at if it all goes wrong , which they can't do on a forum ! > > and at the end of the day , the machines need to work , not sit idle > > fine , but how many engineering companys have software people who are > > also engineers ( stuart excepted ! ) > > > > so they like the idea of having someone else hold their hands , and in > > most cases do what they cannot . > > i.e programming or gui configuring . > > > And that right there says there is a market for such skills. Those who > have the time should put a 1" in the trade rags and let potential > clients know you are available. > > > On 25 December 2015 at 16:31, Stuart Stevenson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Gentlemen, > > > I had a machine tool dealer/long time personal friend stop by last > > > week. I have known him since 1989. > > > He tried to hire me as his service department in 1993. > > > I have purchased three new machines and one used machine from him > > > but no machines since I started putting controls on old iron. The > > > Cinci at MPM is the used machine I purchased from him. > > > I give you that as background. > > > In 1997 I installed MDSI's OpenCNC on three 5 axis mills. > > > He was apprised of the situation from the beginning. > > > When I would explain what I was doing his eyes would glaze over as > > > this information would not result in a machine sale for him. > > > Last week he asked me if LinuxCNC has tool length compensation and > > > cutter compensation and work piece offsets. After all these years he > > > still had to ask as there is no way a control you download free can > > > do anything real. I said yes and tried to explain to him about the > > > LinuxCNC kinematics I wrote to correct the geometry on the Cinci 5 > > > axis. Again, I saw the eyes glaze over. How could he make profit on > > > the purchase of an old machine and installing a free control even if > > > it was a better than new machine when you finished? > > > I don't have a killer UI to show him. All I have is UI the operators > > > will use but not tell people they prefer over other control UIs. The > > > UI acceptance is critical as the person in control of the purse is > > > not usually the one running the machine (in the environment of this > > > conversation). The operator must be able to explain the benefits of > > > using the control and without a sweet UI the explanation of benefits > > > will never happen. The conundrum I see is without the prospect of > > > commercial profit you will get no interest in implementation of > > > LinuxCNC in the commercial world no matter how much better it is > > > compared to as it is now with the software free and the developers > > > giving their time without monetary compensation. Several years ago I > > > had a dealer bring his importer for a visit. During the conversation > > > I asked if they would allow me buy a machine without a control. > > > After they discussed it for a minute they agreed to allow me to buy > > > a new machine without a control. I was not in a position to take > > > advantage at that time but I believe it could be done today (maybe > > > easier). I have considered what it would be like to have a new > > > machine with LinuxCNC controlling it at IMTS. That would be > > > expensive and how would I be able to recover my expenses? It could > > > easily cost USD50,000.00 to show a machine at IMTS. No doubt it > > > would be fun but profitable? Probably not. For me that is not a > > > problem as I like it the way it is now. You have a problem? Start on > > > the solution. When you come to a hard spot ask for help. You will > > > find help to solve your problem. How could it get any better? > > > > > > Embedded would/could be nice. > > > Dedicated kernel would/could be nice. > > > This seems to be a step closer to proprietary and away from the > > > 'free' nature of what we have now. Again I say, I like it the way it > > > is now. There are many questions regarding these steps not the least > > > is maintenance. > > > The developer/releaser of the embedded dedicated kernel would have a > > > maintenance obligation at some level. That could be very expensive. > > > I would hate to have to pay/back pay the current/prior slate of > > > developers. What a contribution has been wrought from them. They > > > somehow justify in their lives and I appreciate it. > > > thanks > > > Stuart > > > > > > -- > > > Addressee is the intended audience. > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to > > > read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this > > > without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or > > > opening my private correspondence. > > > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >---------- _______________________________________________ > > > Emc-developers mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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