On Friday 25 December 2015 13:32:22 Sarah Armstrong wrote: > I'm Available ! > ( glad this is not an open group Gene ) LOL > I'd probably have a queue around the block .
Chuckle. I have mental picture that says anyone named Sarah, is a pretty lady indeed. But most of the guys I know who might get in that line would probably want to see a picture of the boat and motor. :) But that joke is at least as old as I am. 8:\ Merry Christmas to you and yours Sarah. No white Christmas here, steady rain, long enough my basement floor is getting wet. Darnit! I need to deepen the sump pump pit another 6 feet I guess. Or get a hoe in here with a 15 foot arm and put in a french drain that deep. > On 25 December 2015 at 18:25, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@wdtv.com> wrote: > > On Friday 25 December 2015 12:13:06 Sarah Armstrong wrote: > > > As always Stuart hit the nail . > > > totally agree , also people dont understand the many thousands of > > > hours that it must be by now > > > put in by all concerned , into producing what i concider to be an > > > outstanding peice of software . > > > > > > in a lot of cases, as neil suggests as well as others , companys > > > would like to use linuxcnc , but for the aspect of > > > configuration , and maintence to suit them . and or having someone > > > to shout at if it all goes wrong , which they can't do on a forum > > > ! and at the end of the day , the machines need to work , not sit > > > idle fine , but how many engineering companys have software people > > > who are also engineers ( stuart excepted ! ) > > > > > > so they like the idea of having someone else hold their hands , > > > and in most cases do what they cannot . > > > i.e programming or gui configuring . > > > > And that right there says there is a market for such skills. Those > > who have the time should put a 1" in the trade rags and let > > potential clients know you are available. > > > > > On 25 December 2015 at 16:31, Stuart Stevenson <stus...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > I had a machine tool dealer/long time personal friend stop by > > > > last week. I have known him since 1989. > > > > He tried to hire me as his service department in 1993. > > > > I have purchased three new machines and one used machine from > > > > him but no machines since I started putting controls on old > > > > iron. The Cinci at MPM is the used machine I purchased from him. > > > > I give you that as background. > > > > In 1997 I installed MDSI's OpenCNC on three 5 axis mills. > > > > He was apprised of the situation from the beginning. > > > > When I would explain what I was doing his eyes would glaze over > > > > as this information would not result in a machine sale for him. > > > > Last week he asked me if LinuxCNC has tool length compensation > > > > and cutter compensation and work piece offsets. After all these > > > > years he still had to ask as there is no way a control you > > > > download free can do anything real. I said yes and tried to > > > > explain to him about the LinuxCNC kinematics I wrote to correct > > > > the geometry on the Cinci 5 axis. Again, I saw the eyes glaze > > > > over. How could he make profit on the purchase of an old machine > > > > and installing a free control even if it was a better than new > > > > machine when you finished? > > > > I don't have a killer UI to show him. All I have is UI the > > > > operators will use but not tell people they prefer over other > > > > control UIs. The UI acceptance is critical as the person in > > > > control of the purse is not usually the one running the machine > > > > (in the environment of this conversation). The operator must be > > > > able to explain the benefits of using the control and without a > > > > sweet UI the explanation of benefits will never happen. The > > > > conundrum I see is without the prospect of commercial profit you > > > > will get no interest in implementation of LinuxCNC in the > > > > commercial world no matter how much better it is compared to as > > > > it is now with the software free and the developers giving their > > > > time without monetary compensation. Several years ago I had a > > > > dealer bring his importer for a visit. During the conversation I > > > > asked if they would allow me buy a machine without a control. > > > > After they discussed it for a minute they agreed to allow me to > > > > buy a new machine without a control. I was not in a position to > > > > take advantage at that time but I believe it could be done today > > > > (maybe easier). I have considered what it would be like to have > > > > a new machine with LinuxCNC controlling it at IMTS. That would > > > > be expensive and how would I be able to recover my expenses? It > > > > could easily cost USD50,000.00 to show a machine at IMTS. No > > > > doubt it would be fun but profitable? Probably not. For me that > > > > is not a problem as I like it the way it is now. You have a > > > > problem? Start on the solution. When you come to a hard spot ask > > > > for help. You will find help to solve your problem. How could it > > > > get any better? > > > > > > > > Embedded would/could be nice. > > > > Dedicated kernel would/could be nice. > > > > This seems to be a step closer to proprietary and away from the > > > > 'free' nature of what we have now. Again I say, I like it the > > > > way it is now. There are many questions regarding these steps > > > > not the least is maintenance. > > > > The developer/releaser of the embedded dedicated kernel would > > > > have a maintenance obligation at some level. That could be very > > > > expensive. I would hate to have to pay/back pay the > > > > current/prior slate of developers. What a contribution has been > > > > wrought from them. They somehow justify in their lives and I > > > > appreciate it. > > > > thanks > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Addressee is the intended audience. > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for > > > > you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close > > > > this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving > > > > or opening my private correspondence. > > > > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >---- ---------- _______________________________________________ > > > > Emc-developers mailing list > > > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > -- > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------- _______________________________________________ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
