Hi Peter & Tania,
 
 "Require?  No.  Will they? Yes,". I'm intrigued. When will this breakover 
 occur? Also, I'm curious. How is UL, as a NRTL, able to require Listing of any 
 product in any product category? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel a NRTL is 
 able to List a product, not require a product to be Listed. I believe that 
it's 
 the responsibility of a higher power, such as OSHA, the 29CFR series, the 
 National Electric Code or Canadian Electric Code, and/or others to make that 
 call.
 
 Or, is there a move afoot to elevate UL's status? :-)
 
 I'm just trying to get clarification. Please advise.
 
 Best regards,
 Ron Pickard
 [email protected]
 
 
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Subject: RE: US NRTL required ? 
Author:  "Peter Tarver" <[email protected]> at INTERNET 
List-Post: [email protected]
Date:    9/22/98 11:17 AM
 
 
Require?  No.  Will they? Yes, under certain circumstances and certain 
product categories, like ITE.  Laptops for instance.
 
Peter L. Tarver
Nortel
[email protected]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant, Tania (Tania) [SMTP:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:24 PM
> 
> Thank you, Peter, for your clarification. 
> 
> You used the past tense below;-- does this mean that NOW UL does require 
> Listing 
> when connected to a Class 2 power source????? 
> 
> I definitely recall many years ago a CSA engineer telling me that we 
> need not have submitted a device attached to a CSA Certified power
> source, but since he was here already, I went through the process 
> anyway.
> 
>       Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division 
>       [email protected]
> 
> 
>       ----------
>       From:  Peter Tarver[SMTP:[email protected]] 
>       Sent:  Monday, September 21, 1998 1:18 PM
> 
>       I just came across some typographical errors.  My apologies. 
>       Please refer to the below for corrections in "<<<text>>>".
> 
>       Peter
> 
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From:   Tarver, Peter [MPK:4N02:EXCH] 
>               Sent:   Monday, September 21, 1998 9:40 AM 
> 
>               In paragraph 1 -
> 
>               For a long time, UL (and I believe CSA) thought any 
>       device deriving power from a Class 2 source
>       <<<did not need>> listing. 
> 
>               In paragraph 4 -
> 
>       > Table SA12.1 indicates that single alkaline-<<<manganese>>> 
                > dioxide D  cells,
>       > nickel-cadmium AA, C and D cells are all capable of delivering 
                > greater than
>       > 8A at one minute of loading.  I find this strange, but my 
                > discussions with
>       > Randy Ivans indicate that there is data to support these 
        > claims.
 
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