Yes Martin, Lets just know it for what it is "Bad Science".
People like John Stallcel? (I hope I didn't misspell his name too badly)
with CBS has had several news shows on "Bad Science". Now there is one, in
the press, that understands.
Those of us that were/are microwave engineers understand the
risks. I have been exposed the microwave radiation many times, but I know
"the eyes go first. If people that use cell phones were getting cataracts,
you bet I would pay attention.
I better quit talking before I get upset.
Al Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Green [mailto:martin.gr...@iti.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 4:09 AM
To: 'Patrick, Al'; 'mkel...@es.com';
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Cell Phone Hazards?
I agree, there has always been a knee jerk reaction by the
press to anything "bad".
Mad cow disease is a typical example. We banned sales of
beef on the bone in UK because someone suggested that there might be link
with new form CJD. No proof, just a suggestion, and that gave rise to a ban
on its sale in UK and a further drop in confidence about the safety of food.
Now we have the bizarre situation where the UK government want to allow it
to be sold again, but the Scottish and Welsh parliaments do not (they
represent 15% of the total UK population), so the ban continues. And of
course we now have a documented case of new form CJD in a young girl who has
always been a vegetarian - bad science? And the press loved it all - they
sold millions of papers and we killed millions of cows.
The good news out today in UK is that a group of eminent
researchers headed by the UK most prestigious epidemiologist, Sir Richard
Doll from Oxford University, have concluded that there is no evidence of
cancer being caused by electric power lines, so the heated blankets are OK.
I have not read the report yet so there may be some stings in the tail.
This is just hot off the morning news.
Martin Green
Technology International (Europe) Ltd.
(44) 1793 783137
Fax (44) 1793 782310
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick, Al [SMTP:al.patr...@sciatl.com]
Sent: 03 December 1999 07:34
To: 'mkel...@es.com';
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Cell Phone Hazards?
Max, I remember seeing the same show and years later
a show on PBS about
that show. Bottom line: although the rate of cancer
seemed high, it was
still within the statistical norm for the
population.
Now many years ago, and I mean decades ago a
statistical type was studying
Leukemia rates among Line Men (High Tension Line
works) for an insurance
company, to find out why they had double the rate of
Leukemia for the
general population. His conclusion was? That the
electrical fields
somehow were the problem. He went on to conclude
that all electrical
workers and ham radio operators were being harmed.
Bottom Line: Years later and with no fanfare in the
press it was found that
the PCB's which were in the wire insulation and
transform oil (which were
spilled all over the place) were the real cause of
the Leukemia. By the
time the "Bad Science" was over, even sleeping with
an electric blanket
would kill you. Did you throw yours away? (By the
way, PCB's were banned
after that "Good Science"). And the bottom of
Boston harbor is still
covered two feet deep in PCB's oils to this day.
The press loves Bad Science because "it could be
true!" and "it sell
newspapers" or "better ratings on the nightly news".
There's my two cents and change for a dollar.
Al Patrick
Note! These opinions are my own and not of my
employers. The names have
been changes to protect the guilty. Batteries not
included.
-----Original Message-----
From: mkel...@es.com [mailto:mkel...@es.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 3:38 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Cell Phone Hazards?
I remember seeing a television show quite a while
ago where researchers had
found an extremely high cancer rate in children in
one neighborhood with a
power substation. The rate for adults, however, was
normal.
One researcher said she believed that the higher
rate for children might be
due to the fact that they were very active in
running back and forth and
playing ball, etc. This caused them to cut through
the magnetic fields at a
much higher rate than adults. This line of thought
leads to the possibility
that there may be more to consider than just simple
warming of tissue.
Max Kelson
Evans & Sutherland
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Ma
[mailto:barry...@altavista.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999
11:48 AM
To: jgri...@i-spec.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Cell Phone
Hazards?
Jon,
You are right. When we get in our
cars we have some risk. By
the same token, when we are home the risk is still
not zero. If we go
climbing the risk would go even higher. The point is
we know what is the
risk and how to protect ourselves. But the risk
related to cell phone is not
as clear as driving, climbing, and staying home.
Barry Ma
Anritsu Company
-------------
On Wed, 01 December 1999, Jon Griver
wrote:
> It seems to me quite possible that
electromagnetic fields
with strengths
> below the 'tissue heating' level
may have a detrimental
effect. After all
> we know that electrical impulses
are intimately connected
with the brain's
> operation, and we are dealing with
fields an order of
magnitude stonger
> than those used in radiated
immunity testing for
electrical and electronic
> equipment. We only expect
electronic equipment to be
immune to 3V/m, but we
> subject our brains to 20 to 30V/m
when we use a cell
phone.
>
> This being said, the cell phone is
very convenient, and
has become a part
> of our way of life. I use a cell
phone, though as little
as possible,
> knowing that there is a possible
risk, in the same way as
I know I risk my
> life every time I get in my car.
>
> Jon Griver
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