You have me all confused here. You claim the equipment should be able to state heavy industrial immunity but at the same time acknowledge that some of the components don't meet the surge requirements. Kind of like the government saying fiscal responsibility - an oxymoron. If the purchased parts met the requirements I would agree with Richard. But if I buy something from you and it breaks, or worse yet in an industrial workplace hurts someone, my lawyers are going to be talking to your lawyers, and your lawyers are going to be talking to your accountants, who are going to be writing me a check. Your lawyers might want to turn around and talk to the other vendors lawyers those lawyers are going to simply point to the their DoC and its light industrial marks. It becomes obvious you are using the product outside of the scope of the equipment. The only other attack I see is that you claim the standards are wrong. The equipment works fine in the heavy industrial zone, therefore the surge requirements are invalid. I don't see that going very well either. The standard could indeed be wrong, but now you have to show that to be true. Seems the best bet if you need this to be industrial is to find OEM parts that will meet the stated requirements. Gary
-----Original Message----- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:04 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE MARKING A SYSTEM Gordon, cosider constructing a Technical Construction File (TCF) and submitting it to a Competent Body. Your product may comply with the essential requirements when operating in its intended environment without the need to apply the full industrial strength tests. At least, you could make that argument to the CB. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -----Original Message----- From: Gordon,Ian [mailto:ian.gor...@edwards.boc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:57 AM To: 'IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC' Subject: CE MARKING A SYSTEM Can anyone advise the course of action in applying a CE mark as regards EMC to a system some of whose component parts are not built by us and whose D of C's claim light industrial immunity. However, the system has been running in very harsh environments e.g. plasma etch applications at customer sites and we wish to claim industrial level immunity for the system. The system is obviously "fit for purpose" in the intended environment. We have performed radiated testing to this level on the whole system. Unfortunately if we surge test these "light industrial" components which form part of the system we are certain they will fail at the appropriate levels. One component is an "industrial" PC. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what action to take to allow us to apply the CE mark and claim industrial immunity? Thanks Ian Gordon ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. ********************************************************************* ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"