Hi Folks The concept of hipotting equipment in the field after repairs may theoretically be a good one - but is fraught with both practical and safety problems.
For example: a) Some equipment needs special hipot equipment or equipment settings, e.g. if it has large filter capacitors on the AC/DC input. However, most servicemen will have - at most - a physically small portable appliance tester ("PAT") with very limited test voltage and current capabilities. These will often show a test failure (due to the current drawn by the filters tripping the fault indication circuit)when no actual fault exists. b) To give the serviceman a tester capable of performing the tests per the factory hipot means that he probably has a large, heavy machine (which he won't want to carry around) that has a potentially lethal output which should only be used in controlled factory conditions. c) It could be dangerous to hipot an equipment in-situ - both to the serviceman and to any other equipment that is attached, and to any people who are touching associated equipment. d) If incorrectly used, both the equipment under test and associated equipment could be damaged - which will be expensive and timeconsuming to fix. e) The serviceman will need special training, and what happens if he passes the equipment to someone who has not had the full training? f) How do you guarrantee that a serviceman will take the proper care of the tester, and what happens if someone else starts "playing around with it" for "fun"? -- and so on. I think a far better approach would be: i) Design the equipment so that it is easy to repair, with all safety critical ( or "-related" - see earlier discussions!) components being easy to replace, or built into service-replaceable modules. Avoid complicated wiring layouts which could be damaged, or incorrectly refitted during service. Fit appropriate warning and caution labels both inside and outside the equipment. ii) Ensure the service instructions give clear indication of how to fault-find the equipment, exactly how to repair it, and with exactly which components or modules. iii) Ensure the service instructions give an appropriate set of visual and/or simple DMM checks for the physical and electrical safety of the equipment before and after completing the service work and refitting the covers In other words: "KISS". John Allen Thales Defence Bracknell UK. -----Original Message----- From: Anderson Cheng (TPE) [mailto:anderson_ch...@htc.com.tw] Sent: 06 February 2002 02:59 To: 'marti...@appliedbiosystems.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Compliance After Repairs in the Field If products required to have 100% production-line tests (such as Hi-pot and Ground Continuity tests), then I required that tests should be made in the field after repairs. I think it at least benefits checking out the minimum safety constructions are still functioning well. Regards, Anderson Cheng High Tech Computer Corp. -----Original Message----- From: marti...@appliedbiosystems.com [mailto:marti...@appliedbiosystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:50 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Compliance After Repairs in the Field Greetings, We are a manufacturer of Laboratory Equipment. We evaluate our products to UL 3101-1, CSA 1010.0 and EN 61010. When we repair a product in the field, which may include replacing power supplies, line filters, etc., what obligations do we have to verify continuing compliance with the safety specifications we originally evaluated our products against? Do we need to perform applicable safety testing following these repairs? Traditionally, NRTL's are not concerned with the product once it leaves the factory. They do not require follow-up testing to be performed after repairs are made in the field. Since we self-certify to the LVD, should we take a different approach to repairs in the field compared to the approach NRTL's take? Does your company have a specific process that is followed when repairs are made in the field to verify continuing compliance? If so, what is that process? All responses are appreciated. 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