Warren, A product carries a CE marking to show that it complies with the national implementations of all applicable 'new approach' EU Directives (and the LVD, which isn't 'new approach').
Exactly which EU Directive(s) do you think apply to LEDs as components? The LVD certainly does not apply and neither does the R&TTED. The General Product Safety Directive does apply but that does not require the CE marking. If the legislation in Europe did require LEDs to be CE marked then it would require an amending EU directive (which would then need to be transposed into the laws of each Member State) to change things. What we were discussing was the level of detail required to show whether certain LEDs came within the category of being inherently Class 1 per IEC/EN 60825-1. Let's not confuse standards with Directives: it is possible to use a Harmonised Standard to demonstrate conformity with the provisions of certain EU Directives, but that does not mean that compliance with a standard confers the right to fit the CE marking where no directive applies. Regards, Richard Hughes -----Original Message----- From: Warren Birmingham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 October 2002 21:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: LED's and laser safety? I think the confusion came from the different types of lasers, which I did not provide any differentiation. I was speaking about non-focused LEDs that are on display panels, not LEDs that are considered Class I lasers. All LEDs were previously subject to approval for a CE Mark, but non-focused display types were not required to be by UL. The Europeans have adopted UL viewpoint on these types of LEDs only. Non-focused display LEDs are being dropped from the program, the others continue to require approval by both the Europeans and UL. Sorry about any confusion. Warren Birmingham Epsilon-Mu Consultants On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 04:53 US/Pacific, [email protected] wrote: > > I sure would love to hear that argument. > > Richard Woods > Sensormatic Electronics > Tyco International > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Birmingham [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: LED's and laser safety? > > > > Gary, I was recently in conversation with UL about LEDs whereas I am > now being told that UL has convinced the European counterparts that > LEDs are no longer considered Class I Lasers and the requirements for > them to be tested as such has been dropped. UL no longer treats them > that way in their CB Reports. > > Warren Birmingham > Epsilon-Mu Consultants > (510) 793-4806 > email: [email protected] > website: http://www.epsilon-mu.com > > > On Thursday, Oct 10, 2002, at 08:53 US/Pacific, Gary McInturff wrote: > >> >> IEC-825 has incorporated LED's into the safety standard but, from >> what I can tell, left a great deal of confusion. >> I typically deal with the 5 - 10 mcd devices and haven't been >> required to provide any IEC-825 conformity proof for the Western >> European test house. We may be jumping up to about 60 mcd and >> non-focused devices and I don't know where the standard starts to >> become concerned. I hate to buy the standard if it doesn't provide any >> clarity for these types of parts. >> Could you folks clue me in? >> Gary >> > > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > [email protected] > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: [email protected] > Dave Heald: [email protected] > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: [email protected] > Jim Bacher: [email protected] > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > [email protected] > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: [email protected] > Dave Heald: [email protected] > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: [email protected] > Jim Bacher: [email protected] > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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