I think the confusion came from the different types of lasers, which I did not provide any differentiation. I was speaking about non-focused LEDs that are on display panels, not LEDs that are considered Class I lasers.

All LEDs were previously subject to approval for a CE Mark, but non-focused display types were not required to be by UL. The Europeans have adopted UL viewpoint on these types of LEDs only. Non-focused display LEDs are being dropped from the program, the others continue to require approval by both the Europeans and UL.

Sorry about any confusion.

Warren Birmingham
Epsilon-Mu Consultants


On Monday, Oct 14, 2002, at 04:53 US/Pacific, [email protected] wrote:


I sure would love to hear that argument.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Birmingham [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: LED's and laser safety?



Gary, I was recently in conversation with UL about LEDs whereas I am
now being told that UL has convinced the European counterparts that
LEDs are no longer considered Class I Lasers and the requirements for
them to be tested as such has been dropped.  UL no longer treats them
that way in their CB Reports.

Warren Birmingham
Epsilon-Mu Consultants
(510) 793-4806
email: [email protected]
website: http://www.epsilon-mu.com


On Thursday, Oct 10, 2002, at 08:53 US/Pacific, Gary McInturff wrote:


        IEC-825 has incorporated LED's into the safety standard but, from
what I can tell, left a great deal of confusion.
        I typically deal with the 5 - 10 mcd devices and haven't been
required to provide any IEC-825 conformity proof for the Western
European test house. We may be jumping up to about 60 mcd and
non-focused devices and I don't know where the standard starts to
become concerned. I hate to buy the standard if it doesn't provide any
clarity for these types of parts.
        Could you folks clue me in?
        Gary



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