Absolutely – and if you do not like a particular assessor, you can insist that they not be assigned to your audit. Give a reason though, accrediting organizations do want to know how their assessors are doing and behaving.
Stand up for your rights in the audit process. Dennis Ward Director of Engineering American Certification Body Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry http://www.acbcert.com 703-847-4700 fax 703-847-6888 direct - 703-880-4841 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:30 AM To: Bob Richards Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Table Size in Emissions test Hi Everyone, It seems that there are many instances where labs disagree with findings. I would like to stress to everyone that you dont have to accept the assessors opinion. When you sign your report you are actually saying that. In the case of especially trivial things like those mentioned, just have your assessor document it, and move on. When you reply to the assessing body, state your case and make sure you stress you believe the assessor is wrong. If the deficiency is wishy washy, get it clarified. This way a second reviewer will be asked to review the finding. If indeed it's not a finding, then you are done. If you are indeed wrong, it will be explained why: and clearly. This whole mechanism is there to stop cases where an over zealous assessor is grasping at straws: so USE IT. There are so many preconceived notions about assessing that are plain wrong. One of them is that you will be "punished" for pushing back, this is not true. My 10 cents worth.. Derek Walton On 10/12/2011 12:29 PM, Bob Richards wrote: Harry, Yes, you have to pick your battles. :-) We've done the same thing, it is sometimes quicker to change a procedure than to argue the validity. I remember an auditor not liking an ESD setup, regarding the VCP. I was injecting on the same side of the VCP that the ground lead was attached. The auditor stated something about the current path needs to cross the coupling plane for it to be a valid setup. There was no wording in the standard to that effect, but the example setup picture showed it that way. The ground lead, IMHO, is just a bleeder circuit to bring the VCP back to 0v before the next discharge, so it doesn't matter where it is attached. Now, in the latest version of the standard, one of the example setups show the lead on the same side as the ESD gun. I feel vindicated. :-) Bob R. --- On Wed, 10/12/11, Harry Ward <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: From: Harry Ward <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Table Size in Emissions test To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 1:14 PM Hi Derek, I fully agree with your sentiments. The deficiency was objected to the accreditation body but it was quicker to satisfy the auditor's whims rather than engage in an elongated discussion about the rights and wrongs...... 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