Probably far more useful for children today to learn Mandarin Chinese as a second language. _______________________________________ _____________________________________________
Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Doug Nix <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] List-Post: [email protected] Date: 08/26/2011 02:08 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Required Notices to the User per Industry Canada RSS-Gen ________________________________ The problem is that the French are still upset about losing to the British on the Plains of Abraham in 1759. All joking aside, they are very concerned about losing the French culture, thus Bill 101. If you immigrate to Québec, your children will go to French school, regardless of your mother tongue. Only Québec born anglophones get to go to English public school. Regards, Doug Nix H: (519) 650-5979 M: (519) 729-5704 F: (519) 653-1318 email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Request a meeting: http://tungle.me/dougnix <http://tungle.me/dougnix> Find me LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix> On 26-August-2011, at 15:53, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: The French-only sign thing in Quebec seems reasonable, if majority of residents in those areas are Francophone. However, I never saw the need to mandate it. You don't see many signs in French here on the west coast, but BC does have about 150,000 francophones. Fed Gov't signs are bilingual coast to coast, regardless of local language demographic. _______________________________________ _____________________________________________ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Doug Nix <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> List-Post: [email protected] Date: 08/24/2011 02:01 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Required Notices to the User per Industry Canada RSS-Gen ________________________________ Re: French in Canada > In Canada - and I think all provinces not just Québec, French must > be first and more prominent than English and they pay people to check on it. Nope. Sorry to say but you are wrong about that. Canada is bilingual and there is no requirement for one language to be presented first or more prominently with the exception of business signs in the Province of Québec, where public signage is required to be in French only, or pictographic. -- Doug Nix, A.Sc.T. IEEE Engineering & Human Environment Joint Chapter Toronto Section, Ontario, Canada http://ewh.ieee.org/r7/toronto/chapters/humanenv.htm <http://ewh.ieee.org/r7/toronto/chapters/humanenv.htm> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> mobile (519) 729-5704 fax (519) 653-1318 Find me LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix> Want to meet? http://tungle.me/dougnix <http://tungle.me/dougnix> Fostering Technological Innovation and Excellence for the Benefit of Humanity. On 24-August-2011, at 13:27, Pat Lawler DIGEST wrote: Hmm . . . I wonder if the phrase 'French fries' will be treated as French or English? Pat Lawler EMC Engineer SL Power Electronics Corp. "McInturff, Gary" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote on 08/23/2011 02:19:35 PM: > Oh snap -(Mon Dieu mon Fromage!) I think I see goon squads heading > your way - mostly likely entry point is from Quebec, but I wouldn't > get near any planes, trains, or buses that arrive from France. They > recently have spent time and effort to weed out non-French words ( I > can't remember any specifically - cheeseburger maybe?) because they > are losing their heritage. So I'm not sure they are going to want to > hear that French is the new Latin. Run, my friend, run > In Canada - and I think all provinces not just Québec, French must > be first and more prominent than English and they pay people to check on it. > > (Yes I know Fromage is cheese not Friend - I'm just making sure no > language police think I'm on your side) > ----Original Message----- > From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:14 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PSES] Required Notices to the User per Industry Canada RSS-Gen > My wife said that French is the new Latin - is this analogy the reason for > the inherent precision? > American English (not the southeast or northeast stuff) is used by too many > peoples to be nothing less than ambiguous. Should we all learn French and > use in standards? An IEC standard for English? I would prefer that the > engineering community define a grammar and syntax over any effort by lawyers > or artistic bureaucrats. > Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ]On Behalf Of John > Woodgate > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:55 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Required Notices to the User per Industry Canada RSS-Gen > In message <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >, > dated Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Christopher <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > writes: > >This what I have maybe it can be of some help. > >Christopher > > > >French:" > >Le présent appareil est conforme aux CNR d'Industrie Canada applicables > >aux appareils radio > >exempts de licence. L'exploitation est autorisée aux deux conditions sui > >vantes : (1) l'appareil ne > >doit pas produire de brouillage, et (2) l'utilisateur de l'appareil doit > > accepter tout brouillage > >radioélectrique subi, même si le brouillage est susceptible d'en comprom > >ettre le fonctionnement." > > > > > >Here is the English translation just for your reference: > >- English: " > >This device complies with Industry Canada licence-exempt RSS standard(s) > >. Operation is subject > >to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause interfere > >nce, and (2) this device > >must accept any interference, including interference that may cause unde > >sired operation of the > >device." > It isn't what Grace wants, but just look at how much more precise the > French text is: > This device complies with Industry Canada RSS standard(s)applicable to > licence-exempt radio apparatus. > The English appears to say that the standards are licence-exempt! > Operation is permitted, subject > to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause interferen > ce, and (2) the user of this device > must accept any impressed interference, even if the interference is > prone to cause undesired operation of the device. > The English says the device, not the user, must accept the interference. > It can hardly do otherwise! > This is why IEC and ISO still produce most standards in English and > French (and some in Spanish now). 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