Hi Derek,
Well, nothing is free, as my dad used to say. And there are real costs borne by the volunteer standards-developer groups. For example, the C63 group gets NO outside funding or sponsorship and has to pay the IEEE for secretariat duties, meeting costs, etc. I can assure you that the thin budget that C63 operates within has no pork. ACIL pays the ~$2K voting fee as a benefit to the CAS members. The “lobbying-to-lobby” that you speak of is really thin, open and--frankly, ACIL wants comments on the ballots, drafts and other documents that we circulate. I’m happy to discuss this with you offline. Mike Violette [email protected] Washington Laboratories Radio Frequency and Electrical Safety 301 216-1500 cell: 240 401 1388 ________________________________ From: Derek Walton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] British Standards Drafts for Public Comment Hi Mike, yep I'm aware of ACIL and it's efforts, but frankly that's no use. I have no interest in joining a group to lobby a committee to lobby another committee. Just spelling it out like that indicates the nightmare it is. Last time I looked I believe to be an ANSI voter cost over $2k US. I think this is just nonsense. MHO Cheers Derek Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:31 AM, "Mike Violette" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Derek, ACIL (acil.org) has a standing position on ANSI C63 with a primary and an alternate rep; we attend every meeting, get to collaborate and vote on the standards. In addition, the draft versions are circulated--a sneak peek for members. It’s nicely leveraged. Mike Violette Chair, ACIL Conformity Assessment Section <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Washington Laboratories Radio Frequency and Electrical Safety 301 216-1500 cell: 240 401 1388 ________________________________ From: Derek Walton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:53 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] British Standards Drafts for Public Comment Hi Ralph, I have made many attempts to be a standards contributor: some like RTCA have been very receptive. Others, like just about every European and ANSI committee have not even returned an email. A couple of phone calls faired no better. Hardly surprising I take delight in lambasting poorly written documents, or documents with an agenda. I too agree, that any document requiring compliance with by law, should be free. I was just looking into the cost of buying all CISPR 16 documents, over $3,000 US. Paper as valuable as diamonds! Ridiculous. My 10 cents worth. Derek Walton -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Sent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [PSES] British Standards Drafts for Public Comment <quote> Standards documents are circulated in order to get comments from as wide an audience as possible. The DPC stage occurs during drafting in national, European and international arenas and is an important part of the standards development process <unquote> I don't believe BSI will capture the widest possible audience if those interested need to purchase a DPC document. I think these should be free downloads. ______________________________________ ______________________________________________ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Renewable Energies Business | CANADA | Regulatory Engineer From: John Woodgate < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] List-Post: [email protected] Date: 02/07/2011 03:57 AM Subject: [PSES] British Standards Drafts for Public Comment ________________________________ These can be seen and responded to at: http://www.bsigroup.com/en/Standards-and-Publications/Current-work/DPCs/ <http://www.bsigroup.com/en/Standards-and-Publications/Current-work/DPCs/> IEC, ISO, CEN and CENELEC standards that BSI will publish are all included, as well as UK national standards. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and <http://www.isce.org.uk> www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Plural: data, criteria, phenomena. 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