I would recommend all that are interested in this to read the Boeing article. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_10/interfere_textonly .html
Conclusion: no interference from PED has ever been proven. (but for a guy in 1964 operating a FM transmitter air-borne) Gert Gremmen Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Ted Eckert Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2009 17:27 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: RE: Article on "portable electronics" aboard airplanes I don't know of the K:M test. This is the research of which I am aware. http://www.cmu.edu/PR/releases06/060228_cellphone.html http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_10/interfere_textonly .html http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/unsafe-at-any-airspeed http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAPAP2003_03.PDF There is clearly an increased risk, but there is little conclusive data on the magnitude of that risk. The Boeing document summarizes it succinctly. "The potential is great that PEDs [personal electronic devices] will continue to be blamed for some anomalies regardless of whether they are the true cause. As a result, regulatory agencies and operators continue to offer the current policy for PED use on airplanes as the best safety measure." Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation [email protected] The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Gartman, Richard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Article on "portable electronics" aboard airplanes The best reason I have heard from a flight attendant (this happened only once) for putting the computer away was " do you want a 5 pound projectile flying around the cabin if there is an incident". You cannot argue with that logic. Does any on have the report of the KLM/FCC cell phone test that was done in Phoenix several years back. As I hear the story, a KLM "Boeing" aircraft was filled with cell phones (one in each seat) and they all went active at the same time. The intent was to see if a plane loaded with cell phones could cause interruption to the aircrafts electronics. I am sure this group would enjoy that report. Have a great day W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Article on "portable electronics" aboard airplanes While having stuff put away during take-off and landing makes sense, just as you say, protection of aircraft radio and navigation receivers is the primary driver. Paralleling control of rfi on the ground, the first such rfi control only applied to radios, because of local oscillators, and then later applied to digital electronics, because the clocks and their harmonics could radiate just like the radio's LO could. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Nick Williams <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:02:55 +0100 > To: Ken Wyatt <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Article on "portable electronics" aboard airplanes > > I've always understood that, certainly so far as commercial airliners > are concerned, EMC was never really the issue. Far more to the point > is the fact that take off and landing are statistically the most > likely time for there to be an emergency which requires the > passengers to be paying attention to what the cabin attendants have > to say rather than listening to or fiddling with their personal > possessions. > > It also can't do any harm for the cabin not to be cluttered up with > laptops and other junk for people to trip over if you need to get > everyone off in a hurry. > > Nick. > > > > At 22:26 -0600 23/9/09, Ken Wyatt wrote: >> I thought I'd post this link to a semi-rant by one of the Gizmodo >> editors on the use of electronics aboard aircraft. He brings up some >> good points regarding the EMI properties of various gadgets. It's >> also interesting how he and other non-EMCers think on the whole >> subject. >> >> Has anyone on this list studied the emissions characteristics ("on" >> versus sleep mode) for various portable electronic products? >> >> I'd love to not be hassled when using my Bose headphones. >> >> http://gizmodo.com/5366128/giz-explains-how-to-fix-the-airlines-stupid-p ortab >> le-gadget-rules >> >> Regards, Ken >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Wyatt Technical Services, LLC >> 56 Aspen Dr. >> Woodland Park, CO 80863 >> > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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