Hi Peter,
Yes, I have got that feeling. It is difficult to ask a manufacturer designing a product meeting US requirements. It sounds no certain places to provide such information. What is the exact meaning of NRTL certification? Is NRTL accredited laboratory in the US? What can they certify a sample or production? Understand UL listed certifies both sample and production. Sorry for my silly questions as you know I am just a new comer in this area. From: Pete Perkins <[email protected]> Date: Monday, 25 July 2016 at 11:55 PM To: Raymond Li <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Scott, There has been quite a bit of discussion here on US requirements. As you can tell there is no ‘overall’ single US requirement that covers everything. The final say is locally for most instances; the local AHJ inspectors have local control. Local inspectors have access to all construction – both new construction and substantial remodeling – and must approve the final construction, including the electrical installation. They can refuse to accept any unit for attachment to the grid power based upon their local laws, rules and understanding, s we have commented previously. There are more than 10k jurisdictions in the USA. This is confusing to outsiders who are looking for a simple solution such as the EU has developed. Since you have asked; the best response of manufacturers is to provide NRTL certification for their product when it is sold in the USA. This is additional effort and, possibly, additional cost since there is a finite list of NRTL labs. Since most NRTLs will also issue a CB Report where the requirements are harmonized, I have advised manufacturers to obtain both evaluations and reports at the same time for a savings in effort and cost. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 [email protected] From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Thanks for all your responses! What is the best practice for the suppliers/importers to demonstrate the compliance with relevant requirements? Scott From: Ron Wellman <[email protected]> Reply-To: Ron Wellman <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, 24 July 2016 at 12:14 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US United States laws are codified in the United States Code (USC). The Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is the implementation of the laws in the USC. Ron From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 7:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Actually, I think FDA, FCC, FTA, USDA, CDC, Homeland Security, etc. all report up to the CFR. Doug From: Nyffenegger, Dave Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 8:32 AM To: Doug Powell; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Anything with a laser in it is also governed by FDA regs. I think the objective is to make it so confusing that no-one can figure it out completely and the lawyers will always have something to do. -Dave From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 10:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Ultimately, everything goes up to the Code of Federal Regulations, CFR. These are the law of the land. You can find the regulations that both OSHA and CPSC follow there. In turn, each state has their own set of laws, for example in my home state are the Colorado Revised Statutes, CRS. Usually all these can be found online at no charge. All the best, Doug From: Kevin Robinson Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 2:47 AM To: [email protected] Reply To: Kevin Robinson Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US Scott, In the US, the regulations rounds on the type of product and where it will be used. For example: If the product will be used in the workplace then Osha NRTL regs apply. If the product will be used in the home or around schools, then CPSC regs apply. If the product is a medical device then FDA regs apply Most products fall under multiple regulators as for example, a hospital is both a medical space as well as a workplace. Thankfully, most us regulations reference voluntary consensus standards so one round of testing will often satisfy all safety regulators. 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