Hi Pete:
Here’s my experience with keeping track of upcoming changes in NFPA 70. For the last two years I have been following the development of the 2017 edition of NFPA 70 because of some changes that it makes to Article 840, “Premises Powered Broadband Equipment.” In order to see the current draft of the 2017 edition and the committee comments, I had to join the NFPA for $175, but it was worth it to me because the changes in Article 840 directly affected a project I was working on. While joining the NFPA allowed me to view the current draft on my computer screen, there was no way to download the document or even copy anything more than what is on the screen. In summary, it *is* possible to see the draft version as it develops, but it requires some effort. This may have changed recently because I believe the final draft has been officially voted on and adopted. On a related note, I have found that when each state or jurisdiction adopts NPFA 70 into their local laws, the legislation often specifies a specific edition of NFPA 70. For example, as of last year when I was looking at this, the state of Connecticut’s law still called out the 2005 edition of NFPA 70. This seems problematic for dealing with changes in the NEC over time. I’m not sure what happens when a revised requirement appears in an edition of NFPA 70 that is newer than the edition called out by the laws of the local jurisdiction. Two types of situation can occur: 1) The new requirement is MORE restrictive than the version in the edition called out in the legislation 2) The new requirement is LESS restrictive than the version in the edition called out in the legislation Does anyone in this group know how that works? My impression that the specific individual doing the inspection (the AHJ) has wide latitude to pick and choose from both editions, but this may be a mistaken impression. It certainly would create a lot of uncertainly for a company that is trying to deploy a single product throughout the USA. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 (USA) <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <http://www.randolph-telecom.com> http://www.randolph-telecom.com From: Pete Perkins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Doug, et al, If you were really interested you would be involved in the committee that revises the NEC every 3 years and have already read the pertinent changes in which you are interested. All of these changes are done in an open forum and the documents seem available; I don’t follow them, however. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:13 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Have we established that the 2017 edition actually has NRTL vs Listed? I would like to hear some clause references since it is nearly 600 pages. Thanks, Doug Douglas E Powell Colorado USA <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Richard Nute <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: The NEC is a model standard and intended to be adopted by local and state AHJs. In doing so, the AHJs often take exception to some requirements, and add some requirements. In adopting the NEC, the AHJs must specify what “listing” means – what third-party certifiers are acceptable to the local or state AHJ. The NEC has not mentioned or specified by name a third-party certifier. AHJs accept third-party certifications according to their local or state rules. A specific NRTL certification may or may not be currently acceptable. Now that the 2017 NEC specifies NRTL, it will be interesting to see how the local and state AHJs accept specific NRTLs, or NRTLs by standards (as does OSHA), or blanket all NRTLs. Note that AHJs have different objectives than OSHA, who runs the NRTL program. Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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