Hello Dave/Bernd. Just a comment/clarification. The field inspection/label program is not part of OSHA's NRTL program despite some NRTL's that conducted this service. I know it can seem confusing but there are also some non-NRTL's that conduct these field evaluations, all of which are under state jurisdiction.
Some may think they are abiding by OSHA rules with obtaining a field evaluation by an NRTL. That is not the case. Regan On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:11 AM Nyffenegger, Dave < dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com> wrote: > Bernd, > > > > I don’t know any jurisdiction that would accept a manufacturer > self-declaration if the jurisdiction is requiring a safety certification. > An alternative to an NRTL listing is an NRTL field inspection/label which > is unique to each product at each installation. > > > > -Dave > > > > *From:* Dürrer Bernd [mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:02 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [PSES] AW: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification > > > > Hello Ted, hello Regan, > > > > Thank you for your clear statements on NRTL certification. Can you please > provide some guidance on the interpretation of the National Electrical Code > NFPA 70 (2020 edition), article 110.3, on the suitability of installation > and use in conformity with the NEC? Informational note no. 2 explains, that > this suitability “may” be evidenced by listing or labelling. Informative > Annex A “provides a list of product safety standards used for product > listing where that listing is required by the NEC.” This lists includes > many product safety standards for consumer products like appliances that > are typically plug connected. In the case that the NEC has been adopted by > local jurisdiction and that the equipment is in the scope of a product > safety standard listed in Annex A, is NRTL certification and listing then a > mandatory requirement, or is there another option (e.g. self-declaration of > the manufacturer that the product is suitable for installation and use in > conformity with the NEC) that is accepted both by jurisdiction and the > market? > > > > Thank you and kind regards, > > > > Bernd > > > > *Von:* Regan Arndt <reganar...@gmail.com> > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 18:01 > *An:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Betreff:* Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification > > > > OSHA & the related NRTL mandatory certification is only for the > commercial/office/industrial workplace. OSHA has no jurisdiction in the > consumer environment. > > The FCC is for both environments. > > > > Regan > > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 8:29 PM <000006cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> > wrote: > > Thank you Ted, Rich and Regan, > > The product is classified as IT and is sold to pro market. i.e it is used > by professional and not consumer market. There two types of products. Class > I as well as Class III. They are mainly used in corporation conference > rooms. > > > > With that in mind, what are your thoughts about mandatory NRTL > certification as well as FCC? > > > > Thanks > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Eckert <000007cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> > To: EMC-PSTC <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 6:16 pm > Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification > > Hello Peter, > > > > Let me add to Rich and Regan’s comments. > > > > The question for residential installations isn’t as clear as for the > workplace. Most jurisdictions in the United States have adopted the > National Electrical Code which requires many electrical and electronic > products to either be Listed or to be investigated and approved by the > local Authority Having Jurisdiction. In practice, this typically will apply > to hard-wired products or products attached to building structure. The > enforcement is typically through an electrical inspection which will often > not cover plug-connected devices. > > > > In the workplace, any product that has a direct connection to the mains > will need NRTL approval. At the other end of the spectrum, a product like a > USB mouse or remote control using alkaline batteries likely won’t need NRTL > approval. In theory, I believe an OSHA inspector could enforce the NRTL > requirement on any electrical product, but that won’t necessarily be what > happens in practice. > > > > That being said, you can choose not to get NRTL approval for your product. > However, you need to understand the risks your product may pose. If you > sell products to commercial customers, are you meeting their needs? Will > your products be acceptable to them? If you have a low-voltage device that > isn’t mains connected, you will need to understand your customer’s needs > before you make any determination about skipping NRTL approval. > > > > Let’s use the USB mouse example. If you sell a USB mouse that has no NRTL > approval, you can state that you are selling a product to the general > public for home use where NRTL approval for a mouse is clearly not > required. You can then argue that any business that purchases it is making > their own decision on whether to accept a non-NRTL product. However, it is > up to you, your employer and your employer’s legal department on whether > you should take this approach. > > > > Ted Eckert > > The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, > OSHA or the U.S. Department of Labor. > > > > *From:* Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org> > *Sent:* Monday, February 17, 2020 3:52 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification > > > > > > Hi Peter: > > > > I can only speak to NRTL certification. > > > > If your product can be used in a workplace, then NRTL certification is > mandatory. > > > > In most non-workplace locations, safety certification is mandatory. A > local authority specifies the acceptable certification houses. 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