dave wrote:
> I'm not sure they are really long-term cost effective but they are
> popular and getting nice mileage is OK. Cheyenne, WY to Lincoln, NB
> downhill with a tailwind we peaked at 55 mpg. More normal is 38 mpg and
> that is round trip (Yakima to Seattle) over a some rolling hills that go
> from 1200' to 2600' several times and then over Snoqualmie Pass at 3000+
> and down to 50'. The Precis would do better but I don't fit. 
>
> I suspect that there is a way to disable the electrics and fall back to
> living with the 2.8 L gas engine. Time will tell. 
>   
I got 47 MPG going out to Wichita last summer with my Honda Civic 
hybrid, and it
was loaded down with junk for the EMC code fest, and I was stepping on 
it to try to
get there in a reasonable time.  I get 53 MPG commuting to work when the 
temp is
moderate, it drops to 47 or so when it is beastly cold.

The Prius is a dead duck when the hybrid system conks out.  The Honda is 
generally
able to be driven with major malfunctions in the battery pack and drive 
system,
as it has a mechanical transmision and a 12 V backup starter.  If the 
hybrid controls
are shot, it can't charge the 12 V battery.  If it is only the 150 V 
battery that is
dead, then it can still keep the 12 V battery charged, and you can just 
keep driving it.
It won't auto-stop, and you will lose the electric assist, but it will 
keep running.
The old insight guys said the car actually got BETTER gas mileage when the
hybrid battery went kaput, but I suspect that won't be true with the Civic.

Jon

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