I love techie stuff as much as anyone, but don't you wonder what is 
going to happen in 6-10 years with some of these hybrids?  When the 
battery packs are shot and the controls are flaking out, and the car is 
not worth taking to the dealership/stealership for repair work at $100+ 
per hour.    Few shadetree mechanics are going to be able to debug them 
or be able to afford to replace  the parts.   Most of the shadetree 
mechanics I have known are not at all comfortable around high voltage 
DC.  I have similar, but lesser problems now with my Ford 2003 6.0 liter 
diesel truck right now and it is fairly low tech in comparison.  Some of 
the engine sensors are > $300 each.  A good price for rebuilt injectors 
is $200 each - or $1600 for a set.   Major repair estimates from the 
dealership might was well be rounded out to the nearest $1K. 

I sometimes wonder if some of these hybrids aren't way over engineered.....

Dave

Jon Elson wrote:
> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>   
>> Andy,
>>   This link doesn't say anything about starting by injection. I am sure it
>> is BMW that has the starting capability.
>>     
> The Honda Civic hybrid has some really interesting stuff going on.  They can
> lock all the valves closed, cylinder by cylinder to control displacement.
> When it "auto stops" at a traffic light it closes all the valves so the 
> engine
> doesn't shudder when it stops.  You can't even hear it, but it takes at 
> least 5 seconds
> to stop turning.  I think they do the same on startup from the 
> on-flywheel motor/gen.
> Whenever you take your foot off the gas it closes all the valves to 
> minimize the
> engine drag.  They also do stuff with variable valve timing so as to 
> minimize use
> of the throttle plate.
>
> Jon
>
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