On 5/3/2013 9:49 PM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 4 May 2013 02:24, Jon Elson<[email protected]>  wrote:
>
>    
>> will only get 200 MPG on a straight road, hit a hill or have to stop for
>> traffic and
>> it takes a huge dip.
>>      
> Isn't the record something like 1700mpg? But not in anything remotely
> practical, or Euro5/6 emissions compliant.
>
> I do feel that pandering to the problems of Beijing, Athens and
> (especially) LA is costing the world a lot of oil. I rather think
> that, in general, NOx limits were low enough at Euro4, and the halving
> to Euro5 and halving again to Euro6 is causing a disproportionate CO2
> penalty for places that do not have the special problems of the cities
> listed above.
>
>    

I could not agree with you more.   I was in China last year and I could 
tell you stories..  They have some huge pollution problems.
When it gets warm in Guangzhou and the bugs come out... one common way 
to get rid of them is to fill a 5 gallon metal can with old motor oil 
and light it..
That makes a nice blanket of black smoke to keep away the bugs.. and it 
works well in the city!  Shopkeepers were doing that!  8-O   I'm not 
kidding.

LA is not far behind.   They really screw up things for the rest of us 
in the US.   We now have to tolerate California approved gas/petrol 
(CARB approved) cans that have "California approved" nozzles that are 
almost entirely unusable.
Borderline insanity!   You could not pay me to live in LA.

I was doing some work for a major manufacturer of catalytic exhaust 
system for diesels.  They supply just about every auto/truck company 
around the world.   They told me that they have no idea how they are 
going to meet the emmision standards that exist beyond this year.   All 
of the current tier diesel engines have filtered exhaust systems.   The 
exhaust is passed through a ceramic filter to catch virtually all of the 
particles and then it is run through a catalytic converter.

The diesel exhaust system for one major brand pickup truck in the US 
that I was working with had a retail value of $3500-4000..   When those 
trucks get to the midwest USA, it is very common to cut all of the 
pollution controls out of the exhaust system and reprogram the engine 
controller to ignore the missing sensors.  The result is that the 
horsepower and mpg goes way up.

Dave




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