I thinking hologram. Then the crash would appear real with breaking and
crumpling and everything. :)



On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM, John Kasunich <jmkasun...@fastmail.fm>wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 05:29 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > On 26.06.13 01:30, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> > > If you're near a coast or large/deep lake you might find a deal on a
> > > used electric downrigger. Load it up with 300 pound test line and
> > > there's your mechanicals, just need to figure out how to brake it to a
> > > stop at the right moment without breaking things. ;-)
> >
> > Careful; 200 pound chandelier x 1.5g deceleration = 300 pound force.
> >
> > By the time that a visually acceptable sharp deceleration is achieved,
> > and a good safety margin is allowed, we might be up around 6000 lb or
> > more?
> >
>
> Exactly!  I was thinking about that last night while walking the
> dogs (after I sent my earlier message).
>
> Some numbers:  suppose you start with it 20 feet above the stage,
> let it "free fall" until it is 4 feet above the stage, then decelerate to a
> stop at stage level.
>
> First the free fall.  Gravity is 32 feet per second squared.  That means
> in the first second it will go from zero to 32 feet per second and fall
> 16 feet, winding up 4 feet from the floor.  To bring it to a stop in four
> feet would require decelerating at 128 feet per second squared, and
> it would stop in 0.25 seconds.  That deceleration rate is 4 gees, so
> if the chandelier weighs 200 lbs, you will need 800 lbs of force to do
> the job.
>
> At the beginning of the decel, you have 800 lbs of force and a
> velocity of 32 feet per second.  That is 25,600 ft-lbs per second.
> One horsepower is 550 ft-lbs per second.  So you need a 46 horse
> power servo to do the braking electrically.  Not gonna happen on
> any reasonable budget.
>
> The force at the pulley is higher than the cable force.  If the cable
> turns 90 degrees at the pulley, it is 1.41 times higher, if 180 degrees
> it is double.  So the 800 lbs becomes 1100 to 1600 lbs.  That is
> half to three-quarters of a ton.  So you need a very strong pulley,
> and a very strong place to anchor it.  If you would be nervous
> hanging a car from your anchor point, you better not hang your
> chandelier on it.
>
> I think the very first thing you should do is try to figure out how
> to make the chandelier as light as possible.  It is a stage prop,
> not a real article.  Can it be made from materials that are lighter
> than brass and glass?  Can you use bright amber LEDs for the
> "candle" flames?  Can you make the prisms out of clear plastic?
> Can you stylize it a bit?  Maybe a very light frame, LEDs inside,
> and artfully folded and arranged clear or silvery (or both) mylar
> film to get the same "gilttery" effect?  I think some out-of-the-
> box thinking could make a "chandelier" that weighs 10 or 15
> pounds, which would completely change the nature of the job.
>
> Good luck!  Let us know what you come up with - this is an
> interesting challenge.
>
>
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>   John Kasunich
>   jmkasun...@fastmail.fm
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