On 2/4/2015 4:19 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote:

> Yes; that's my impression too. The market for that kind of lathe now seems to 
> be the 'fully refurbished' manual lathes at relatively breathtaking cost 
> (very old refurbished Hardinge HLV-H lathes seem to fetch around the 10K GBP 
> = 16K USD). Still a gap in the small to mid range CNC lathes, though. I find 
> the industrial ones too big and heavy for my workshop (I need to be able to 
> get more than just the one machine in the workspace), and the Tormach-sized 
> lathes are few and far between (and also quite expensive at around 14.5K GBP 
> = 22K USD in the UK, delivered, tax paid, but I shouldn't complain about 
> that).

Someone needs to put the Denford ORAC back into production, with updated 
controls of course. It's an 8x16 and weighs around 310 pounds. Modern 
controls would save a bit off that. Toss a Beagle Bone Black with LCNC 
in it and put a color touscreen LCD on the front where the old mono CRT 
was and that would be great.

Have to keep the car stereo and speakers, but put the training audio on 
a USB stick as MP3 files. ;)

There just isn't a decent sized, commercially produced, benchtop CNC 
lathe available new. They're all based on Taig or Sherline or similar 
toy/modelmaker lathes.

The next step up in size is the small end of the big full enclosed 
lathes and machining centers, many of which for their size don't have as 
much capacity as the old ORAC.

The Magnaturn 612 was among the smallest of that style of CNC lathe but 
limited by its 6" swing and it was rather slow. (Youtube videos, you 
call that a "rapid" move?)

Boxford made one about that size and HAAS had their Office Lathe, but at 
1,300 pounds was pushing the upper boundary of "small" really hard.

Newer than that, and possible to set on a benchtop, was the Dyna 
Mechtronics Dyna Myte DM3000. Find one that's all functional and it 
won't *have* to be given a refit to make it usable as a production 
machine. 'Course being the newest (though discontinued) small but not 
wee little toy CNC lathe you'll find, you'll have to pay good money for 
one in good condition with functional electronics.

But if you're shopping for new, ready to go, it's either the tiny, 
excessively expensive (yet Sherline sells enough they had to bypass 
moving production into a 20+K square foot building built for it to a 66K 
building) little ones or one that'll take up half your garage and 
require running a new electric service, yet won't have near the working 
capacity of a manual lathe of similar footprint.

Oh, Tormach sells a 7" swing CNC lathe and even has an option to use it 
as a 4th axis on their mill, but it's the same-old, same-old Chinese 7x 
that's been made for at least 30 years. I had two 7x manual lathes and 
did quite a lot of work with them, they could not be pushed very hard 
and I could push on the headstock with one finger and make a test 
indicator move against a piece in the chuck. Better than the Taig, 
Sherline and Clisby sized machines but not by much.

So please, someone in the machine tool industry, figure out how to make 
an ORAC or DM3000 size CNC lathe that doesn't cost as much as a new car.

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