On Friday 24 February 2017 09:54:13 Stephen Dubovsky wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Erik Christiansen
> <dva...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> ...
>
> > Conversely, why is the ATtiny15
> > "best" for the job at hand? Answer: Because it has a few ADC
> > channels, I have a few of them in my goodies box, AND I'm set up to
> > develop with them.
>
> That last one is big.  "set up to develop them."  I'll expand on that
> in just one second...
>
> > > They are very good, cheap, very common and used by many
> > > manufacturers.
> >
> > Nicklas, that is true for all the microcontrollers doing well on the
> > market.
>
> ARM has over 80 licensees for just the Cortex family.  Atmel has...
> only themselves.  If you are going to invest the time & money to setup
> and develop for a chip, not just for a current project but unknown
> future ones, you will likely be better off starting/switching to ARM. 
> I've been writing embedded code professionally for decades and have
> used darn near everything.  We currently have products using
> Motorola(freescale), Atmel ATMega, Microchip, TI DSP, and ARM in
> production.  Its a *NO BRAINER* that ARM is the winner in the bang for
> the buck and is going into all new products.  The breadth of products
> available is simply unmatched by those other manufacturers combined. 
> Its not that any of the other companies are bad.  Many make a couple
> class leading products, its just their business model is limiting. 
> We've had Renesas try to court us on multiple occasions (RZ family I
> iirc).  They make some really nice products that were faster then the
> ARMs available at the time but in the end I told them - 'your only
> flaw is that it isn't an ARM'.  And that choice proved to be the right
> one as there were ARMs faster than those Renesas cores available
> shortly after.  Renesas makes ARM products too now.  FWIW, We are
> currently alpha testing the STM32H7 - super fun part!
>
> Its not a perfect analogy but ARM is the hardware equivalent to open
> source.  Pay for the core (ok, so not exactly open source) and put
> *ANYTHING* you want around it.  Since this is a forum of Linux users
> that should find broad appeal.  Chip manufacturers have certainly
> voted to support it.
>
> > As the original question specifically referred to Arduino
> > development, it may also be that being able to talk to the Arduino
> > community is also a tangible benefit. It is doubtless more useful
> > than mere CPU evangelism.
>
> Indeed support is VERY useful.  There are many more ARM forums (and
> professional users) then Arduino.  In my professional opinion: 10yrs
> from now ARM will still very much be around.  I wouldn't make the same
> bet on Arduino/ATmega.
>
> 'CPU evangelism' made me chuckle as it is a very apt description. 
> Will remember that phrase:)
>
> Stephen

What Stephen said, from the sidelines observer this battle is now in the 
clean up the casaulties phase, arm won it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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