On 6/30/21 7:58 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:44 AM Valerio Bellizzomi <vale...@selnet.org>
wrote:
On Wed, 2021-06-30 at 09:29 -0400, Mark Wendt wrote:
We still have not heard any reason(s) as to the necessity of having a
code
of conduct for this list.
Mark
In my organization I have established codes of conduct and it seems to
be a winning choice for everybody, no one here is concerned about being
controlled or enforced, they know that codes are a necessary thing for
an organization to be successful in the long term and vis-a-vis of
bigger and broader organizations with which we might interact.
Regards
That's may all be well and good for your organization. That doesn't mean
it translates easily or well to other organizations like this one. This
European countries, mostly dem/lib with social tendencies/policies have
a lot of labor protection laws and labor unions that have a lot of
leverage. Companies, organizations, negotiated CoC-s to push back on
that leverage.
In the US, a lot of states states being "work at will", they don't need
them because you can be terminated for no reason, pretty much. But hey,
it's a cool liberal/socialist thing, so let's do it here too, even if we
don't need it, it's management porn that blew over from Europe.
Also, what is the point of having rules if you there is no way to
enforce them? You can have a CoC here, and throw someone out if you
don't like what they have to say. but nothing keeps that user from
registering with another account.
Besides that, people here just talk/chat, how much leverage/control do
you actually want to add by writing up a CoC, that you already don't have?
Ron
group tends to be more oriented to machining, machine control and
programming. In all the years I've been on this list, I've never seen
anyone publicly harass anyone, though I may have missed a post or two over
those years that did contain something like that. Pretty much every post I
see on this list is either someone asking a question or requesting help,
and a whole lot of people jumping in to try and fix the problem or help the
OP work their way through the issue. This group seems to be based on
giving and receiving help for all the issues and problems that pop up.
Again the original question I asked needs to be answered. Why is it really
necessary to institute a Code of Conduct on a group that's already well
behaved? Legal Reasons? Someone feels that we need a CoC just because?
What is the impetus for having this imposed? And why does the CoC that's
been written have to include all the political nonsense?
Mark
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