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Understandable Ken. But to put patchwork down 2 just Nick Land throws away
a whole bunch of rich theoretical writing other places................
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:59 AM warkk <wa...@newschool.edu> wrote:
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> Thanks for the links, Alice. I started reading but Nick Land came up so i
> stopped reading immediately. I never took him to be state-of-the-art
> theory. Others might find the space interesting but its just not for me.
> Reaons given here: https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/3284-on-nick-land
>
> Patrick is i think pointing us both back to the nineties but also forward,
> and i think that's a good note to hit before anyone starts getting into a
> nostalgic vein. I think its more about bracketing-off what networks came to
> be in the two consolidations of the power of what i call the vectoralist
> class. The first was around 2000, with the rise of corporate forms built on
> nothing but IP. The second came a decade later, with the commdification not
> just of information but also of the social network itself.
>
> Patrick also asks why the mushroom as a figure. I don't really understand
> how this part works, but it is the bit i find intriguing: that mushrooms
> have 36,000 genders, or something like that. Maybe Shu Lea's introduction
> of the mycelium into discussion will encourage me to get a layhumans' grasp
> on how that works. It seems just at first sight to be be an interesting
> thought-image of how protocols might work otherwise.
>
> mw
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:10 PM, patrick lichty <p...@voyd.com> wrote:
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>> As someone who would call himself postcybernetic rather than
>> postinternet,
>> I agree with Dollyoko nd Ken. The spaces for intereaction were highly
>> heterogenous and diverse, and Honestly, I find the postinternet discourse
>> relatively bland by comparison, as a lot of what it talks about is
>> reference
>> to postcybernetic/cyberdelic. MOOs, MUDs, Even back to nets of online
>> communities (Thing, Compuserve, Delphi, Fidonet, Usenet) was amazing. In
>> many ways it seems like the corporate stacks combined with academic FOMO
>> has
>> created a tremendous amount of conservatism compared to the crash theory
>> days of the Krokers.
>>
>> In many ways, I think our era of risk aversion and its pruning of the
>> rhizome is indicative of the relationship between culture and capital. As
>> art fairs and consolidating gallery culture, as well as the struggle (in
>> my
>> mind) to figure ourselves out more as Postmodernism fractured into the
>> Speculative Turn, the notion of the rhizome has turned into reality bubble
>> foam that generally swirls under megacorporate umbrellas.
>>
>> This is why I love things like Dina Karadzic's FUBAR bunch, and Shu Lea's
>> work the other year at the Leonore residency, but I also wonder why the
>> notion of the mycorhizome is so strong these days as opposed to the
>> strawberry patch (Deleuze), is it a subliminal signifier of fruit and
>> decay
>> and rebirth?
>>
>> Also very interested in t-shroom discussion.
>>
>> Love from the desert
>> (also apologies for the typos - my current computer has a very flaky
>> keyboard)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: empyre-boun...@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>> <empyre-boun...@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au> On Behalf Of warkk
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 4:13 PM
>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] rehearsal of a network - [week 4]
>>
>> Alan is quite right to stress how extensive the options were for online
>> encounters in the 90s, beyond the handful i named. The larger point might
>> still be that knowledge of any of that world is fairly thin these days.
>> There are a few period accounts. dollyoko mentions Marshall's Living on
>> Cybermind. Julian Dibbell wrote a book about LambdaMoo. There's a new book
>> by Claire Evans called Broad Band that has good brief accounnts of Echo
>> and
>> The Word and is focused on innovations in computation by women.
>>
>> Of course one could ask whether the linear prose form of the book is the
>> best or even a necessary way of documenting such things. I think of the
>> book
>> as an instance of what dollyoko calls "successionist servers." Its hard to
>> keep them out of Amazon, one of the biggest vectoral class enterprises of
>> our time, but they will at least 'run' independently of that proprietary
>> environment.
>>
>> A book is a concentrated swarm whereas online communication tend to
>> default
>> to dispersed ones....
>>
>> dollyoko has some great language for an ongoing project: secessionist
>> servers, intentional family, open family platforms, vernacular approaches
>> to
>> infrastructure. (To just pick a few that i think go together with the
>> themes
>> Shu Lea suggested).
>>
>> Maybe its a good thing that 90s cyberculture experiments ended up largely
>> invisible and excluded from history, as now it might be time to be rather
>> discreet about the possibilities uncovered then. Maybe it was a good thing
>> for mycelium that it was largely invisible for so long, as nobody figured
>> out how to monetize it.
>>
>> mw
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:16 AM, <dolly...@thing.net> wrote:
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>> > dear shu lea and empyreans
>> >
>> > yes, finger fucking across platforms and waters, deep code luscious
>> > moon brown stem the shadow of a venetian blind on summer body in
>> > borrowed loft wiping sweat, not swiping left (write left alt write)
>> > Floodnet!
>> >
>> > i'm immersing eyes into this generous mycelial conversation today
>> > feeling the tendrils of one hundred minds
>> >
>> > 'powerful poetic gestures'
>> > 'alternate sentiences'
>> > 'the incomputable'
>> > 'nature is not a system'
>> > 'break all separations'
>> > 'imps fuelling the real'
>> > 'vernacular approach to infrastructure'
>> > 't-shroom as family heritage and long-living family member'
>> > 'i have a vast genetic network in me'
>> > 'we begin to think like a forest'
>> >
>> > how to extend the intentional families we (of a certain age) created
>> > in the 90s [while perhaps reading Bruce Stirling's Dead Media list, or
>> > skiving off to PMCMoo or RiverMOO when LambdaMOO was down] before
>> > other 'we(s)' were born
>> >
>> > Jonathan Marshall's book 'Living on Cybermind' might be one answer to
>> > Ken's Q about how to capture the non-linear threaded lives
>> >
>> > i've been returning to build at LambdaMoo since around 2013, prompted
>> > by projects such as Networked Art Forms and Tactical Magick Faerie
>> > Circuits - instigated by the wonderful Nancy Mauro-Flude, and (equally
>> > wonderful) Furtherfield's Beyond the Interface... I'm not sure what
>> > the mycelial potential of such old platforms might be, I suspect
>> > there's something though...... for example, a nascent project I'm
>> > doing with Virginia Barratt and Alice Farmer takes as it starting point:
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------
>> >
>> > "A multi-platform artwork comprising a LambdaMOO environment
>> > (multi-user domain object-oriented), performing avatars, improvised
>> > performance, experimental hypertext fiction, cryptokitties on the
>> > (ethereum) blockchain, and a hand-bound XenZine. The subject is the
>> > construction of intentional family beyond blood and kind.
>> >
>> > We revisit LambdaMOO as a site for gender non-conforming
>> > subjectivities to explore the production of xenofam and xenobodies,
>> > outside of social re-production, and bring those practices to bear
>> > upon the "real". Only a few years after the emergence of the WWW,
>> > social networking habits were harnessed and stratified into machines
>> > for the production of social capital and new affective forms of
>> > extractivism within the paradigm of info-capitalism. Yet the outlier
>> > LambdaMOO is still maintained by a small phreak family as a working
>> > experiment, an enclave among other secessionist servers (caves,
>> > sinkholes, hackpads, labyrinthine clouds) carving out space to platform
>> lives of creative resistance, blasphemy and joy.
>> >
>> > The performing avatars, the unholy trinity of Witchmum, Mum 2.0 and
>> > Precocious Meme Savant, have cooked, co-habited and coded as
>> > becoming-kin to instantiate xenofam, building affective bonds through
>> > which datablood flows. This queered approach to extensible and open
>> > family platforms generates intentional spaces for the reconfiguration
>> > of blood ties beyond blood types, and another mode of hexing Capital."
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> >
>> > I want to write more, but I need to buy bread as I can't wait the 12
>> > hours for the wild yeasts to do their thing.
>> > I will try to attract some xenofeminist and other spores this way
>> > while thinking about how Ken's 'we no longer have roots, we have
>> aerials'
>> > might take a mycelial turn
>> >
>> >
>> > Warmly, to all
>> > doll fingers + witch thoughts, perhaps a spell cast from and to this
>> > conversation, tomorrow
>> >
>> >
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