yes, if I understood you correctly Maria, you say that I am not trying to
work with grief over ones own complicity or remorse. I am more invested
in
the notion and symbolic power as well as real experience of communal
grief
-- this is what oppressive systems fear most -- the symbolic "power" of
the
connecting tissue of our emotions but not those on individual level alone
On Oct 4, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Maria Damon wrote:
Yes, when I mentioned Lamentations, I meant the Hebrew Bible. Old.
Grieving
for ones city, ones polis, ones people. Also, it seems that this is *not*
where you were going, Monika, a sense of grief over ones own possible
complicity, real or imagined... remorse.
On 10/4/12 5:55 PM, Monika Weiss wrote:
While aware of some of the lamentations explored by artists such as
Martha
Graham (who is not my favorite although I have a great respect for her)
--
what I am working towards is a connection with the older, before now,
before
any specific time, lamentation. My dancer actually took me to Wender's
film
about Pina Baush last Spring, and while aware of her name I never really
knew of this work until quite recently (maybe even Alan mentioned her to
me
a long time ago) but it took a person whose body literally inhabited my
work
'Sustenazo (Lament II)' to "discover" this work and a feeling of
connection.
Monika
On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
which "Lamentations" are you refering to? (not Martha Graham's
Lamentation?)
Book of Lamentations in English
All Sandy and I are/were on about, I think, is the silence and the
obdurate
that occurs in relaton to severe pain; I'm thinking for example of my
mother
shortly before her death, when she had been anesthetized to alleviate her
suffering in the hospice. The silence is also the silence at the heart of
the signifier; the signifier is both suture and broken suture, covering
and
dis/covering pain, naming it for those who are suffering, who can no
longer
hear the name, who are no longer with us, coffin or not - when my father
died, there were issues at the cemetary about the burial of ashes.
- Alan
Alan schreibt:
public lament and gardening
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:
Is there then (I'm sort of assuming the answer is yes, but asking anyway
in
order to make it part of the fabric of the conversation) a way in which
lamentation is also critique as well as community self-constitution, as
in
Lamentations?
Maria, I wonder what sort of critique would be possible? Lamentations
seems to bridge the political and the obdurate. When pain becomes
overwhelming, silence is at the core and the signifier dissolves; I think
this is also the core of anguish. One is left speechless. On the other
hand, how much clarity is necessary for political or 'rational' thought?
In an odd way this also brings up mathematical thinking - which, from an
outsider point-of-view, seems based on the manipulation of symbols, but
from within is much more of clouded movements with indeterminate focus
(see Jacques Hadamard). Thinking itself, in other words, may well have
less content than its representations, and certainly its representations
in virtual worlds, where everything, one way or another, is determinate
and rationalized on a pixel-by-pixel level.
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