remember: PGP and GnuPG are first and foremost tools for authentication

encrypting all messages automatically, while helpful, is not the principle issue.   the principle issue is stopping fraud that is facilitated by a lack of authentication.

you may notice that SSL/TLS has not really achieved reliable authentication by way of their WoT model: once a signing certificate has been stolen it is not clear how many identities might be at risk .    this is why the attack surface need to be minimized

it seems clear to me that not everyone will want to participate in a tightened model and at the same time it may be most everyone who is in need of authentication services .   i don't see how this can be accomplished unless users generally are able to get their public keys certified -- at the DMV perhaps, or at the Credit Union,.... dunno .   but authentication is the issue .

On 09/30/2015 06:32 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
On 09/30/15 16:41, Robert J. Hansen wrote:
I disagree with this general line of reasoning.  It's certainly possible
to get someone to use an encryption tool without convincing them that
they want encryption.
I'm going to back Phil up on this one, because I think he's talking
about a specific case rather than the general case.
An assumption in which you would be correct.  Yes, you can get people
who have no interest in encryption and authentication and don't see why
they should be of importance to them, to use them ...  if they are a
transparent integral part of the infrastructure that's active by default
and Just Works behind the scenes, without them having to do anything to
make it happen.  But if they have to use a specific add-on to a specific
mail client, and install supporting software, and generate and publish
keys, to do something optional and extra that they don't see any good
reason why they should do in the first place....


Nope.  Not happening.




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