Do what you like, call the time here. I give this up. I deleted the
calendar item and removed the wiki content regarding the proposed solution.
I proposed this now 7 days ago, no one was opposed you even wrote
"I'm in on this. Already added it to my own personal calendar with
notifications etc." Now it seems that the wind has change 180° degrees
and we are from "I'm on this" to "I am against this".
Greetings,
bu5hm4n
On 05/15/2018 04:48 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2018 08:57:50 +0200 Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> said:
We tried that last time, and you where the only one from the KR Timezone
while there are many committers from that part of the world, thats why i
say, try it this week with the other time, and see if it changes :)
hermet was there for one, Christophe too. believe me when i say they wold have
no issues staying up late (they do it often enough at the office). it has
nothing to do with timezone, and more to do with "they wouldn't turn up
regardless of time". in fact night times re technically far better as irc is
blocked in their office environment unless you jump through hoops.
Also i dont see a problem with doing 2 meetings close to each other,
where one group is then just "reworking" the items from the last
meetings, giving theire decisions to it. In our case there is also a
overlapping group of people which is not too small, so its not really
seperated with the URC + 8 UTC + 16 time proposal.
then that's just email with 2 entities passing back and forth. not really a
meeting. :(.
Greetings,
bu5hm4n
On 05/15/2018 07:35 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2018 18:38:38 +0200 Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> said:
I dont have strong feelings if its either shifted by 12h or by something
else. Just reminding you, UTC + 20 means that there will likely be noone
else part of the meeting beside US people. I dont want to propose that
some timezone needs to be active in both meethings, but it could
definitly help to have a few voices in both meetings, so things dont go
that orthogonal.
i have to agree that doing it so that you end up with basically 2 disparate
groups is bad. it's not a meeting then. we may as well just do things by
mail if people have to "read the minutes later and then respond". you end
up with an email-like back and forth between meeting groups.
i say 1 time, and you make it, or you don't. if you care you make the time
(stay up very late or get up early and sacrifice sleep). of course people
have other things too in their lives, but this will just be dysfunctional
if we end up dividing meeting groups up. and this was a good point. pick
one time when most can make it with some effort.
the previous 15:00 UTC slot seems to be about as good as it gets i think.
Greetings,
bu5hm4n
On 05/14/2018 06:12 PM, Stephen Houston wrote:
As Mike suggested and I've been saying... the meetings need to be exactly
12 hours apart, not 8 hours. So if Tuesday was UTC+8, Thursday would be
UTC+20... then the next Tuesday UTC+20 and the next Thursday UTC+8, etc...
On Mon, May 14, 2018, 9:42 AM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de> wrote:
Okay, then lets say that we meet at the first full week and every third
full week, always on Tuesday and Thursday.
On the first week Tuesday is at UTC + 8 and Thursday at UTC + 16.
In the third week Tuesday is at UTC + 16 and Thursday at UTC + 8.
(This month however is a exception and we start this scheudule first
fully in June.)
Meetings are captured with a IRC logger.
A few people can write the meeting minutes into http://collabedit.com.
After the meetings the log is uploaded to the wiki same as the contents
that have been captured in collabedit document.
After that the wiki link can be sent to the mailinglists as reminder of
what happened.
How does that sound to you?
Greetings,
bu5hm4n
On 05/11/2018 03:39 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote:
This is actually similar to how many projects organize their meetings.
Having two separate meetings at "opposite" times allows everyone to have
a
choice of meetings to attend with at least one of the times being
optimal for any given location. Using proper recording methods,
everyone is then able to see what happened at each meeting. In the
meeting procedures page (which should exist if it doesn't already), it
should be documented that the meeting notes should be sent to all
related channels/lists after each meeting to promote community
involvement.
I think that if everyone is okay with at least one of these times then
this
is fine, though it should be noted that this time schedule makes it
awkward
for any particular region to attend both meetings; traditionally the
time rotates exactly 12 hours so that at least one timezone is capable
of attending every meeting.
The only adjustment I would make is that the meetings should be moved to
weekly in this case. If the meeting times rotate and are set for every
two
weeks, this means that each group meets only once a month--hardly as
useful.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:08 PM Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm well aware the other time slot allows for North Americans but it
will
then cut out anyone else. That's the point I was making - there is
going
to be little crossover. between the two groups of people meeting - and
I don't think that is a good thing.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2018 14:55:07 +0000 Stephen Houston <
smhousto...@gmail.com>
said:
This was the best time you could come up with for the meetings?
4-6AM
EST,
3-5AM CDT, 2-4AM MST, and 1-3AM PDT? That pretty much means that no
North
Americans are going to be present at all... at least with the time we
were
using for the meetings previously, it is reasonable enough for North
Americans, Europeans, and Asians to all attend whether it be 8AM on
the
west coast of US or 11PM for like indefini in Japan... sure that is
easier
for US... but then you just flip that time for the second meeting and
its
still reasonable enough for all to attend but easier for indefini in
Japan. This is what I was expecting. Not a time that is basically
going
to mean: US gets to meet the first meeting of the month with
eachother
and
then Eastern European/Asians get to meet with eachother the second
meeting
of the month and there is no crossover (minus Western Europeans that
can
make both). I foresee that as being bad and not really working out.
ummm you need to look at the other time slot too. i don't think we're
going to
do 2hrs each...
https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=100,8,5,1850147&h=100
so one is 1am/4am PDT/EDT an the other is 9am/12pm PDT/EDT. (CDT being
in
between). and note on the other end with Japan (and Korea etc.) time.
:) so they keep flipping between 2 times to try and let everyone
attend
at
least once a month.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:58 AM Marcel Hollerbach <m...@bu5hm4n.de>
wrote:
On 05/10/2018 09:22 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
On 10/05/18 13:20, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2018 17:17:14 +0000 Mike Blumenkrantz
<michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> said:
While I can see some summarization of meeting items on the
relatively
obscure https://phab.enlightenment.org/V33, which is
inaccessible
to
anyone
who has not been avidly following the mailing list archives--ie.
will
never
be visible to any new community members--this is not quite the
same as
recording the minutes of a meeting.
see the ticket that this was all about. it's there in the ticket
itself
in the
body. that is where the conversation was happening so it's
summarized
there.
https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6740
i don't see why etherpad is needed. we have plenty of tools on
phab
for
this.
no one disagreed with a wiki page.
you were talking as if people need to have it explained to them
what
minutes
are:
"Typically for meetings where items of substance are discussed,
the
minutes
will be recorded for posterity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutes";
marcel already said:
"But i agree in general that there should be a wiki page for
monitoring
contents of the meetings and some them up."
... so again. i see no reason why minutes will not be taken and
recorded.
What I would like to see and I think what Mike is getting at is a
wiki
page either on the main wiki or somewhere on phab, which atleast
lists
all the links to the meeting summaries rather then just having
obscure
phab links to them. Even better would be if all the summaries were
also
just in one page so you didn't have to click links to follow the
previous meetings.
Yep, thats what i want to do on this page and the linked pages
https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/meetings/ :).
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