On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:47:18 -0400 Mike Blumenkrantz
<michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> said:

> I think we should make it a policy going forward that the stabilization
> period cannot begin until all pending patch submissions have been reviewed.
> There are still a ton of patches out there which haven't been looked at,
> and "I didn't feel like reviewing patches" should never be a reason why
> patches don't make it into a release.
> 
> This doesn't mean that all patches need to be merged, but patches submitted
> during a release cycle should at least be reviewed during that cycle.

that's going to add months then to this. there are a lot of patches out there.
as a policy 4 in general this would hold releases hostage to patches and their
review. if there just are a lot of them submitted or there already, or take
time for review (some patches are trivial and take minutes, some take hours).
holding a release hostage to this is IMHO a very bad idea.

> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:32 AM Al Poole <nets...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Beautiful.
> >
> > On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Stefan Schmidt <
> > ste...@datenfreihafen.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > Another update on this.
> > >
> > > On 08.05.2018 21:41, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 04/27/2018 01:38 PM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There sadly has not been as much progress as hoped for.
> > > > I still wait for the following items:
> > > >
> > > > o Cedric's last branch to be merged (lifecycle?). What is the status
> > > here? Maybe its to massive to get landed for 1.21? I have been told it
> > > > would be merged like 10 days ago.
> > >
> > > This is the one getting me stomachache. It keeps postponing with new
> > > problems being found. And surely there will be more problems showing up
> > > when merged into master.
> > >
> > > Cedric, you think you can get this in until Tuesday? I wanted to start
> > > the freeze end of next week, more below.
> > >
> > > > o https://phab.enlightenment.org/D5908 needs review
> > >
> > > Merged now.
> > >
> > > > o https://phab.enlightenment.org/D6046 needs review
> > >
> > > Still in progress. Raster, could you check if the added comment
> > > addressed your concern?
> > >
> > > > o Comments on the flat theme from Raster
> > >
> > > We talked about it again and this will keep going in parallel with the
> > > hopes to have it ready and merged into master before the release. I am
> > > willing to have an exception here as the theme should be isolated enough
> > > to not cause to much trouble when being merged late. We still should
> > > make a call if we have it in or not two weeks before the release (beta2
> > > time).
> > >
> > > > Once we have these sorted we can start with the stabilization phase.
> > > > As we have no date for this yet I can only give a rough schedule to
> > give
> > > people an idea.
> > > > This needs to be updated once we start with the alpha.
> > >
> > > Besides the lifecycle branch I think we are in shape now to start the
> > > stabilization. Nothing else besides the ones above have been brought up.
> > >
> > > It seems time to get into the huge backlog of bugs to get them fixed. :-)
> > >
> > > The idea is now to have the freeze starting end of next week. The items
> > > from above have been mentioned early enough that I might be ok to have
> > > them slip in after the alpha, but don't count on it. Instead try to make
> > > sure you get them in until Monday or Tuesday.
> > >
> > > Here is an updated schedule I put up for discussion. Speak up NOW if you
> > > have problems with it.
> > >
> > > === Schedule ===
> > > 2018-05-24 Merge window is over. (handled by Stefan)
> > > * Only bug fixes from this point
> > > * Alpha release tarball
> > > * We really need to sort out if we have bigger issues lingering around
> > > due to all the last minute rush
> > > 2018-06-18 Beta1 release tarball (handled by Raster)
> > > * Only critical fixes from this point
> > > 2018-06-25 Beta2 release tarball (handled by Raster)
> > > 2018-07-02 Beta3 release tarball (handled by Raster)
> > > 2018-07-09 EFL 1.21 is out (handled by Stefan)
> > >
> > > This would basically bring it down to a 6 weeks stabilization window.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Stefan Schmidt
> > >
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