On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:59:02 -0500, Brian Mattern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 02:31:57PM +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Simon writes: > > > > > Actually, I see no real point in coding with Etk/Ewl an aplication > > > that already exists with Gtk or Qt. It would "only" offer more > > > consistency with an E desktop, and some eye-candy effects but it's > > > > If no 'existing' gtk/qt apps are ever written with ewl/etk, > > then there never going to be any image viewer apps, any text > > editors, or any of the other 20,000+ apps that exist -- you're > > going to have to think real hard to make up a 'brand new' kind of > > app that no one has ever done before in gtk/qt, just to make it > > 'worth' doing in e's toolkits?? > > > > > quite a waste of time imho. We should try to think differently, > > > because we have tools (Edje/Evas) that allow us to do things > > > > I think the sentiment he's trying to get across, which is one I share, > is that there is little point in rewriting a gtk/kde app in an e > widget set if it looks and functions exactly the same. E.g. using > emphasis (or whatever the glade lib is) with a gnome app's glade file > is a lot of effort (recreating the backend functionality) with the > only gain being glinty buttons. Exactly what I meant :) Btw, the glade-like lib is enhance, emphasis is the mpd client (audio player). Actually, one thing that could be really cool would be a tool like Glade, but that would allow us to build interfaces made of Edje objects and Etk (or Ewl) widgets. For example, for Entrance, we could have the main interface still be an Edje object but we could replace the entry/buttons by themed Etk widgets. With the tool, we could place the widgets wherever we want in the interface (no fixed layout anymore). Same for elicit, the spinners could be spinners from Etk (just an example). The apps will look exactly the same, and will still be as themable as before, but it would combine the advantages of the both libraries (Edje and Etk): the high themability of Edje and the ease of use of Etk (there would be no need to reimplement the behavior of an entry or of a spinner in the code, there would natively be keyboard-navigation between the different widgets of the interface, ...). I'm not sure I'm clear here, but I really think it would be really nice thing to have. Simon > > The point is NOT that we can't use new, innovate image viewers, text > editors, etc. But, we need to sit and think about how we can improve > on the current 'desktop app' idioms. > > Elicit is a simple enough application that it can have its gui > entirely defined in edje. I've thought several times about breaking > some of its layout out into some smart objects (e.g. the a simple > notebook smartobj). However, this would severly dampen what is > possible from the theming standpoint. Tokyo has done some amazing > versions of pared down single panel (no tabs) themes for elicit. > > You'll also notice that elicit has no proper configuration dialogs. > So, if a theme doesn't provide a theme selector, then you can't switch > themes. For small apps like this, this is an arena where traditional > packed widgets fit in. > > Many larger apps (image viewers, music players, etc) could probably be > done in a similar fashion. E.g. a free form edje ui for the primary > functionality, with a packed widget set for dialogs. But, it really > depends on the app in question (and the imagination of the author). > > rephorm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and > earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
