I wrote:
> .......
>>> As to the above mentioned steps.. I disagree with some of the
>>> arguments,
>>> but they are also not unreasonable - so long as everyone realizes that the
>>> state
>>> of many things in E is still rather basic and are willing to 'break' apis on
>>> major releases when they bring good improvements.. E is still small enough
>>> that
>>> it can be fluid if it wants to.
>>>
>>> But, one very important thing to consider here is: What exactly is it
>>> that
>>> E wants to achieve? What are the basic 'large' goals?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thats a funny one, because a lot of people say "Oh, E17 isnt as good
>> as Gnome... or KDE" when its not completely a desktop environmant like
>> those 2. It has a lot of the mechanics of a full DE and being so
>> modular, could fill the things needed to become a full DE from that
>> point. (And then you ask, whats the difference between what E17 is now
>> and a full DE?!? I dont know. Ask wikipedia or something.) If it was
>> competeing souly against WMs like fluxbox and friends, then thats
>> already done and kicking ass.
>>
>> If anything, it might be an idea to ask people, what 'needs' to be
>> done? I see a few people on IRC and on forums saying, "E17 is good,
>> but its just not finished/has bits missing". Some lusers go as far to
>> say "Err E17 is buggy and not stable! Waa" simply becuase there isnt a
>> 1.0 release.
>>
>> Toma
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm not sure I follow some of this. There are many different things that
> "E" could do or become, it's not just a question of what the wm/desktop-shell
> could do/be, or even what a desktop environment of some sort could do/be.
> There are questions of development 'platforms', what they might be geared
> to develop, what they might emphasize, and such... and there are questions of
> what kinds of apps or further libs or frameworks people might want to build
> beyond that, to create some sort of coherent 'environment(s)' and such.
> If you're going to "ask people", then it depends who these people are
> and what kind of audience they are: end-users of apps? end-users of desktop
> environments/shells/whatnot? theme designers (of what)? developers of apps?
> "rich" app developers? etc.
>
>
>
Forgot to mention a few other relevant ones: developers of web
apis/services?
developers of gfx/canvas libs? developers of gui toolkits? ...
My questions were directed at the audience consisting of all "E"
developers. :)
>>> If all that's really wanted is a wm/shell kind of thing, then you've
>>> got it.
>>> It's pretty good - could be better, etc. - but it's there.
>>>
>>> If some want 'development platforms' then what kinds? And which
>>> apis/models
>>> are best suited to build whatever with? Which can be attractive to certain
>>> areas
>>> more than others, etc.
>>>
>>> If some want to also build environments/whatnot on top of those
>>> platforms,
>>> then what apps/libs do you need for short, mid, long term growth?
>>>
>>> What are relevant models out there in open, partly-open, not-so-open
>>> worlds,
>>> that could be used for comparison?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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