On 3-Aug-08, at 1:30 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>>
>> On 3-Aug-08, at 1:04 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 3-Aug-08, at 12:43 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Andreas Volz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems the license question is still very much discussed.  
>>>>>> Until now I
>>>>>> didn't say much about it. But now I like to add my 2 cents to  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At work we develop software for embedded devices. In most cases  
>>>>>> is the
>>>>>> result a commercial closed-source product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For sure we used open source software in the past (not based on  
>>>>>> EFL
>>>>>> until now!). So GPL is no option. The LGPL would be an option.  
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> in most cases it's not an option as good as BSD (better say  
>>>>>> MIT). The
>>>>>> reason is that in most cases it's needed to modify the library  
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>> For example if there's a Win32 and a Linux port, but no WinCE  
>>>>>> port. For
>>>>>> sure one could contribute the changes back to the open source  
>>>>>> project.
>>>>>> But in most cases this doesn't happen because of time or  
>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly what companies that contribute back, like  
>>>>> ProFUSION
>>>>> and others, dislike. We do contribute back and we expect that  
>>>>> others
>>>>> do that, we want others to play fair.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is also what other companies that contribute to the EFL  
>>>> like. They
>>>> want
>>>> to be able to hold some stuff back while giving other stuff back  
>>>> to the
>>>> community.
>>>
>>> Yes, and in this case why don't they create another library? If they
>>> need to modify the library we all use, then why not give it back?
>>> Those that are complaining find that wrong and unfair.
>>
>> Maybe the work they're doing isn't useful for the rest of the  
>> community.
>
> that's up to the community to decide.
>
>
>> Maybe they had to sign an NDA to work with a specific chipset and  
>> can't give
>> back.
>
> I don't care.
>
>
>> Maybe they implement something that is central to their business and
>> don't want to give away the keys to the kingdom but are willing to  
>> help with
>> other parts of the lib in the public.
>
> Everything can be considered the central business, even doing packages
> and assembling the pieces together (see ubuntu). And I don't care,
> that's the company problem, not the community problem.


Yes, and it's up to the company to decide what they need to keep  
private to make money. That's how companies work. I don't see any  
reason why we should put restrictions on them as to what they can keep  
private.

dan




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