On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:30:23 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> said:
> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:31:56 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 04:22:34 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > > said: > > > > the problem is.. when apps want fullscreen they EXPECT it to be > > exclusive. eg watch movies, play a game, etc. etc. etc. - thats how > > they except such a mode to work. to be on top with nothing in the way > > etc. > > > > even e violates this. edge bindings still work. u can still > > lower/raise between elements that are on top. keybindings to flip > > desktops still work. alt-tab kind-f-works, but not right. this needs > > fixing before release. it needs to become much more like an exclusive > > fullscreen mode until you exit such a mode. > > > > we make you happy and then we make a bunch of other apps unhappy. and > > thus other users. > > > > if you want what you want.. set to borderless then maximize. these > > windows are still regular windows. > > That's my point, I have been doing that for a long time, and it stopped > working for some programs. which programs? why? it works here - testing it. do those programs have a maximum size? etc. etc. > > > I've been out of the loop and not paying much attention. Recently > > > recompiled E17, and now I find that what I always though was the > > > wrong fullscreen behaviour is now forced on my work around to. Let > > > me explain. > > > > > > A long time ago it was decided that "fullscreen" in E17 means that > > > the window pretty much takes over your entire view, with no way of > > > getting out of it. I argued that it was bad at the time, but did > > > not prevail. So since then I have most of my common applications > > > set to fully maximised, with no border, and usually set to the > > > bottom of the stack. Then remembered, so I don't have to keep > > > setting those things up over and over. This effectively sets them > > > to fullscreen, but avoiding the whole "fullscreen means no way out" > > > nonsense. > > > > > > By now way out I mean, unable to switch to some other desktop, > > > unable to iconify, and unable to change to some other size. > > > > > > Now I find that with some of my faked fullscreen windows, the > > > iconify and maximise stuff is not in the window menu. If I want to > > > iconify them I have to switch to a border that has the iconify > > > button, and switch back when I make it fullscreen again. This > > > happens with eterm and Second Life, but not Claws mail and Xchat. > > > > > > Seems that alt tab is not working either, so one more way out is > > > blocked. Actually, I can't see anyway of binding that to a key > > > anymore. > > > > > > Can I have the choice of a fullscreen mode that does not mean the > > > fullscreen takes over control and leaves out options please? In > > > other words, "fullscreen JUST Means the window is the size of the > > > screen, with no border". > > > > > > Even for the expected use case, fullscreen games, I still think that > > > "fullscreen means total control by the app" is wrong. Far too many > > > of these fullscreen games are unstable, and that means you spend a > > > lot of time rebooting to recover if you want to try out a big bunch > > > of games like I did recently. > > > > > > /me retrains himself to use the keyboard iconify shortcut. > > > > > > I know, I've become curmudgeonly. lol > > > > > > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
