On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:29:02 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:30:55 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > >> > >> BTW, I have Marina's icon for CPU & Temp, but I don't use them and > >> I think they should not exist for a desktop or laptops nowadays (I > >> also know the reasons, but AFAIK they are all fixed in the proper > >> places, like the kernel). So if someone wants to convert these > >> gadgets to similar look & feel, let me know. > > > > Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. > > > > It's quite hot here in summer, and it is crucial that I keep an eye > > on my CPU's temperature. There is the difference between "so hot > > things might be unstable" and "so hot the computer will shut down > > for safety". Knowing that I'm at the first stage means I know to > > not trust things, but can keep using my computer if things seem to > > be fine. Knowing that I'm getting close to the second stage means I > > know when to just shut it down properly, open the case, and point > > big fans at it. > > This is exactly what I mean with fixing it in the wrong place. Here > (Brazil) is very hot the whole year, I knew this problem from Athlon > days :-) > > The problem is "what if you're not there to change?". The kernel is > always there, with the highest priority. There is work to make it > throttle before more drastic measures. If I'm not there to change, then my desktop is not doing anything to heat it up too much. B-) And it's not just the drastic measure, AMD processors at least have a "not hot enough to shutdown, but may not be stable" temperature. On hot days I tend to go over that when compiling big projects. On really hot days, I know there's no point trying, as it will likely just over heat. It's knowing what the temperature is NOW, even if it's not high enough to be a problem YET, that is important for planning such things. If it's too hot, and my computer might melt, time to go do something else. The point being that there are good reason why might need to know what temperature their computer internals are running at. Like to see if they might need better cooling, or if their recently installed better cooling was worth it. It's like power - how do you know if your power supply provides enough power for your computer? As far as I know, there is no monitoring of that. The only way you can tell is if your computer does odd things, which may be caused by lots of stuff. Your CPU being in the "not hot enough to shutdown, but hot enough to be unreliable" range would cause the exact same problem. Would be good if there was some sort of intelligent system that monitored all that, then popped up a warning "your computer getting too hot" or "your computer is close to drawing too much power" so ordinary people might have a clue. Sadly, the information is not there. Just upgraded to an AMD 4 core, and more memory. Just started summer. Might be time to invest in better computer cooling. Can't afford to right now, and this is my traditional slow work period. B-( > anyway, I'm just not doing the gadgets theme work. Feel free to work > on them with the icons I have. You can base the edc from efenniht as > the icons are basically the same. I'm not doing theme work. I was just curious why you think it's not needed. > > I don't see why these things should not exist for desktops or > > laptops. Certainly for me at least, they should exist, AND should > > have more functionality. > > go for it, but I'd at least move them to a "dev" or "geek" module that > aggregates all these things, a gkrellm like module. The problem is > that most users will not have a clue what are these things and get > confused. Actually, I said long ago that I'd like E17 modules that do the sort of thing that gkrellm does, so that I can get rid of it. People just said to use gkrellm, or that it's too hard. Gkrellm has it's limits, and I don't think it's too hard. I've just never gotten around to doing it, so it's still on my TODO. lol -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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