On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz <m...@zentific.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:41:45 +0000 > Iván Briano (Sachiel) <sachi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2011/11/13 Thomas Gstädtner <tho...@gstaedtner.net>: >> > On 13.11.2011 17:15, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:54:53 +0100 Thomas Gstädtner >> >>> <tho...@gstaedtner.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On So 13 Nov 2011 16:29:02 CET, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:30:55 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >>>>>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> BTW, I have Marina's icon for CPU & Temp, but I don't use them >> >>>>>>> and I think they should not exist for a desktop or laptops >> >>>>>>> nowadays (I also know the reasons, but AFAIK they are all fixed >> >>>>>>> in the proper places, like the kernel). So if someone wants to >> >>>>>>> convert these gadgets to similar look & feel, let me know. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Maybe I misunderstand what you mean. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It's quite hot here in summer, and it is crucial that I keep an >> >>>>>> eye on my CPU's temperature. There is the difference between "so >> >>>>>> hot things might be unstable" and "so hot the computer will shut >> >>>>>> down for safety". Knowing that I'm at the first stage means I >> >>>>>> know to not trust things, but can keep using my computer if things >> >>>>>> seem to be fine. Knowing that I'm getting close to the second >> >>>>>> stage means I know when to just shut it down properly, open the >> >>>>>> case, and point big fans at it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is exactly what I mean with fixing it in the wrong place. Here >> >>>>> (Brazil) is very hot the whole year, I knew this problem from Athlon >> >>>>> days :-) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The problem is "what if you're not there to change?". The kernel is >> >>>>> always there, with the highest priority. There is work to make it >> >>>>> throttle before more drastic measures. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> anyway, I'm just not doing the gadgets theme work. Feel free to work >> >>>>> on them with the icons I have. You can base the edc from efenniht as >> >>>>> the icons are basically the same. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I don't think either of those things is "fixed in the kernel". >> >>>>>> Only reason why I don't use the E module for those is that it >> >>>>>> could never show proper results for my motherboard, not even for >> >>>>>> my last motherboard. lol >> >>>>> >> >>>>> at least for intel i7 cpu there is throttling module, it's mandatory >> >>>>> due the turbo boost feature they provide (using a single core will >> >>>>> allow it to be overclocked) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Not sure what you mean by "CPU", the only thing I can think of is >> >>>>>> the cpu and cpufreq modules. As a developer they provide >> >>>>>> important info to me. On the other hand, I don't use cpu, coz it >> >>>>>> does not provide a graph, and I use cpufreq, coz I have not found >> >>>>>> anything that does provide a graph. lol >> >>>>> >> >>>>> it's the cpufreq, it is just the filling of a cpu chip icon Marina >> >>>>> draw. Check efenniht and it's the same. Not a graph indeed. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> here it's the same thing, proven that cpu "ondemand" governor is the >> >>>>> way to go, people even talk about removing other governors one day. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I don't see why these things should not exist for desktops or >> >>>>>> laptops. Certainly for me at least, they should exist, AND should >> >>>>>> have more functionality. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> go for it, but I'd at least move them to a "dev" or "geek" module >> >>>>> that aggregates all these things, a gkrellm like module. The >> >>>>> problem is that most users will not have a clue what are these >> >>>>> things and get confused. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> this last part is not just about cpu/temp modules, there are a huge >> >>>>> number of modules people have no idea what are... "dbus? what's >> >>>>> this? why should I turn it on? or off?" Maybe flag these modules >> >>>>> are "advanced" and just show them in an "advanced" option in modules >> >>>>> dialog. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I agree. There used to be a time when CPUs, the firmware and the >> >>>> kernel had trouble keeping the hardware out of trouble, but these >> >>>> days have long been gone. >> >>>> There is really no reason to bother the user with temperature, as he >> >>>> will never have to care even if it rises up to 100 deg celsius. >> >>>> >> >>>> A cpufreq module is even worse, especially if it supports userspace >> >>>> interaction. The linux kernels ondemand governor works good for many >> >>>> years now, there are no more senseless slowdowns as there used to be >> >>>> some years back. Having a possibility to make the user interfere >> >>>> makes him think it might be wise, e.g. setting it to "max >> >>>> performance" or similar stupid decisions. >> >>>> >> >>>> Don't get me wrong, of course it can be neat for curious users to >> >>>> have those things, but I don't think they should be enabled by >> >>>> default, and no "standard" user should see them. >> >>> >> >>> That's the mistake GNOME makes, thinking that standard users should not >> >>> see stuff. In E17 land, we let people turn on advanced stuff. So the >> >>> theme should cater for that to. >> > >> > I can absolutely understand your argument, and I too think E should >> > enable users to do whatever they possibly wish. >> > But having temperature available is just arbitrary information, might as >> > well show the power-led brightness (I can't think of any other that >> > useless information, so this will stay the only example for now :), >> > there are at least 100 more important hardware parameters that generally >> > aren't displayed. >> > And as I explained, having cpufreq by default is contra-productive at >> > best, it's basically like having a button that says "drain my battery >> > quicker" :) >> > >> >> I had my computer shutdown because it overheated building WebKit. >> I started using the temperature module then, after never even trying it, >> and it lets know when I can run make -j9 without problems and when I >> should cancel it and go with a lower value. >> >> You don't like the module? Disable it. It's an option, and Enlightenment >> has always been about the user having as much choice as possible. > I think this is the important idea to keep in mind. Themes should support all > core modules, and anyone who doesn't like a module can just disable it. Your > personal views on "what a user needs/wants" should not impact what they > actually are able to do here.
yeah, that's the whole thing. I need someone that uses cpufreq/temp to do the theme. see my reply to sachiel on the other point. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
