On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:30:09 +0300 Markus Törnqvist <m...@nysv.org> said:

> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:06:46PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> >On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:30:28 +0300 Markus Törnqvist <m...@nysv.org> said:
> >
> >> I'm a heavy user of the keyboard, so messing with the pointer doesn't feel
> >> right. Especially not with keyboard-driven software like mplayer and maybe
> >> Rage.
> >
> >almost everything is keyboard driven in rage. in fact osd appear/disappear is
> >the only thing not explicitly kbd controlled - its implicit in any action -
> >eg toggle loop mode, or pause/play or ff/rw etc. it comes on at any of
> >these. i guess an o for that would be something that could be added.
> 
> Sweet! :)
> 
> >> The use-case for the OSD, for me, is that sometimes I just want to know for
> >> how long I've been watching something. Or how much is left. Forcing OSD on
> >> and off (ie hitting o twice) sounds like a good thing.
> 
> >> More generally the case for mplayer keys is that there's a lot of nice
> >> enough features, turning subtitles on and off, and I'm sure a lot of
> >> people know the mplayer keybindings already as there's nothing wrong with
> >> them.
> >
> >subtitles right now have no controls at all beyond "you'll get them if there
> >is a matching .srt file or you add -sub file.srt on the cmdline". very basic
> >atm.
> 
> I seldom use subtitles myself, but as mplayer sometimes autodetects them from
> online backups I just turn them off. That's a shortcut key ;)

i only added subtitles on the weekend... so expect them to be a thinly
supported thing. also note - i never use them either, so even more reason... :)

> >> Yeah, that was actually the first thing I did :D Like launch rage with no
> >> arguments, and dragging a video to it.
> >
> >:) i made that work as i kind of knew someone would do this and thus i made
> >it function as you might expect. i also added it so you can dnd more and
> >more into rage over time to add to your current playlist. :)
> 
> Cool, didn't go that deep into it though, but that's definitely a good
> thing :)
> 
> >> I get the point why you might not want an open file dialog but is that the
> >> general trend of EFL-driven apps? I appreciate software with an open file
> >> function that allows me to find the files by typing around and open in
> >> the current app.
> >
> >the dnd makes uses of another app that is devoted to futzing about finding
> >files - the filemanager. but what you want there imho is not a file selector
> >- that's a poor mans version of that. you want something like evrything in e
> >built into your app - so you can navigate like a cmdline and find/play/see
> >things. that's a whole new ballgame inho where the app wants to customize and
> >define your view here - eg give you video thumbnails that actually play like
> >the playlist widget on the right... this is a whole project on its own imho.
> 
> So basically you mean "launch full-fledged EFM in Rage's context?"

kind of... but not a separate window - inside rage. that means async file
listing, organizing file view with entering folders etc. - it's a fair bit of
work on the ui side for sure.

> IIRC there was an old operating system, but I can't remember which one, that
> used the file manager for all "open file" type operations. The philosophy
> being that those dialogs are subsets of the file manager _anyway_ so why
> not just use the whole thing. At least in theory I like that thinking if
> it really works. Like knows that it's dealing with Rage now and not something
> else.

actually that is exactly how e works. e's own file selector IS the efm view.
just in list mode. with 2 of them side by side... :) (faves on left, dir on
right, with preview of a dir being another efm view). :) maybe elm's own file
selector shoudl get some love and become as flexible and powerful as efm...
then maybe it'll be a doable thing.

> Looking at how gnome does this stuff makes me sad and annoyed, so anything
> should be better ;)
> 
> -- 
> mjt
> 


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The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    ras...@rasterman.com


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