On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 02:24:52 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> said:
> "Simply not possible" is complete nonsense. We have a lot of intelligent good luck having git failover work where some commits are still pending in one repo and not in another and reconcile those every day... you want to also run the failover dns to do this? we don't run it... easydns does. use haproxy across completely different sites... sure.. but then haproxy has to run somewhere stable... oh it runs on e.org inside a vm... if e.org goes down then everything goes down... if we move it elsewhere then if the elsewhere goes down ... everything is down. > people on this list and replication is not an intangible problem any more. > How it's set up at the moment may make it harder but I think we're agreed > that something needs to change. The concept of any organisation running all > their infrastructure on a single host is quite laughable these days I'm > afraid. Is it time or money that's the problem? It's certainly not > technical limitations. feeling trendy eh? this has worked for decades. it's not trendy. but it works. has worked. it worked for a decade. still works except a super custom gentoo system seems to have broken the "it just works" aspect of it. want to be trendy? find yourself every year moving from trendy service a to b to c and startups come and go and their rules change and lose control of your core infra. who pays? "oh i'll donate a vm" now we keep having to ask to renew it or if they get bored and disappear a vm owned by someone else and paid for by someone else disappears or becomes inaccessible? i've seen way to many people come and go to do something silly like that. we have a free server with free service with no restrictions on its use. no quotas. no bills. we have more resources than we really ever need. w'ere wasting the resources by the bucket load and not running out. we don't NEED more hosts. complexity hurts us, not helps. in fact our current complexity hurts us. it's time to simplify. if we go spread ourselves across "the cloud" we'll suffer even more. > I agree that this needs sorted imminently but it will be a darn shame if we > try to do hack sessions in Malta and we have no got server or ticket > tracking etc... > > Andy > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 17:15, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:17:32 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> > > said: > > > > > Hi team, > > > > > > I get that the server itself is not problematic but can we please agree > > > that redundancy would be a good thing? > > > There is no way that we should be comfortable with a single issue be able > > > to take out our entire infrastructure. > > > > redundancy (mirrored to another machine) is simply not possible. it would > > require then we have to keep in sync multiple git servers, mysql db's and > > that > > synchronisation would be broken when things go slow so any backup would > > have > > different data and we'd have a nightmare to reconcile things. we have full > > data > > redundancy at the filesystem/block layer (raid mirroring). the entire > > infra is > > not down. the host is still running just fine (e5). > > > > if we move some services to new hosts, that means then you just have some > > things broken. if git still runs on e5 then git is down. whatever runs > > there > > will be down. moving everything is the same effort - in fact more, as > > fixing > > things to move to containers. and it's now far riskier a it will become > > expensive as people have to pay for that hosting. > > > > so NO. no moving to other systems. it's not a solution. it's sticking your > > head > > in the sand and not resolving the issue we have. > > > > not a single person here ever says "hey - i'll help migrate it to a > > container > > on e5 and figure it out". it's always "hey hey - come over here and use the > > vm/container/whatever hosting provider i already use". > > > > e.org was stable as all hell when it was simple. it was a single machine > > (with > > a spare we just never used because the main system never went down). it > > had no > > vm's. no containers. it just ran everything on a single shared system. it > > worked a charm. it had no performance issues (other than it wasn't going to > > have the spare grunt to run a CI/build server e.g. jenkins). our reason > > for a > > new system was to be able to do CI builds and support and fear that our old > > machine would die (our drives were not raided at all back then)... > > > > i'm also getting impatient. at e dev day in 2 weeks lets sort this out and > > actually get something done there and then. tbh i think at this point this > > is > > more important than just about any other topic there... and not to just > > talk > > about, but to actually do immediately. if a few people sit around > > converting > > what we have into something simpler (docker images? something else?) and > > beber > > helps get it set up and goes over what is set up and why so we all > > understand > > better how it's glued together... > > > > > Thanks, > > > Andrew > > > > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 06:39 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:35:39 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina < > > > > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > Beber you have my pgp key through keybase.io's application even > > sent you > > > > > a chat message. Also I noticed you are coming to the dev summit in 2 > > > > > weeks time. Any chance we can sit down during the weekend and sort > > out > > > > > the server? > > > > > > > > it's gotten far worse in recent times. like every day it needs a reboot > > > > these > > > > days... > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Aquilina > > > > > > > > > > On 2017-06-08 14:21, Amitesh Singh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz < > > > > > > michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> the new error page is an improvement at least > > > > > > > > > > > > Its down again :/ > > > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> ------------------ > > > > > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > -------------- > > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > -- > > > http://andywilliams.me > > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > -- > http://andywilliams.me > http://ajwillia.ms -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
