"Simply not possible" is complete nonsense. We have a lot of intelligent people on this list and replication is not an intangible problem any more. How it's set up at the moment may make it harder but I think we're agreed that something needs to change. The concept of any organisation running all their infrastructure on a single host is quite laughable these days I'm afraid. Is it time or money that's the problem? It's certainly not technical limitations.
I agree that this needs sorted imminently but it will be a darn shame if we try to do hack sessions in Malta and we have no got server or ticket tracking etc... Andy On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 17:15, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 18:17:32 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> > said: > > > Hi team, > > > > I get that the server itself is not problematic but can we please agree > > that redundancy would be a good thing? > > There is no way that we should be comfortable with a single issue be able > > to take out our entire infrastructure. > > redundancy (mirrored to another machine) is simply not possible. it would > require then we have to keep in sync multiple git servers, mysql db's and > that > synchronisation would be broken when things go slow so any backup would > have > different data and we'd have a nightmare to reconcile things. we have full > data > redundancy at the filesystem/block layer (raid mirroring). the entire > infra is > not down. the host is still running just fine (e5). > > if we move some services to new hosts, that means then you just have some > things broken. if git still runs on e5 then git is down. whatever runs > there > will be down. moving everything is the same effort - in fact more, as > fixing > things to move to containers. and it's now far riskier a it will become > expensive as people have to pay for that hosting. > > so NO. no moving to other systems. it's not a solution. it's sticking your > head > in the sand and not resolving the issue we have. > > not a single person here ever says "hey - i'll help migrate it to a > container > on e5 and figure it out". it's always "hey hey - come over here and use the > vm/container/whatever hosting provider i already use". > > e.org was stable as all hell when it was simple. it was a single machine > (with > a spare we just never used because the main system never went down). it > had no > vm's. no containers. it just ran everything on a single shared system. it > worked a charm. it had no performance issues (other than it wasn't going to > have the spare grunt to run a CI/build server e.g. jenkins). our reason > for a > new system was to be able to do CI builds and support and fear that our old > machine would die (our drives were not raided at all back then)... > > i'm also getting impatient. at e dev day in 2 weeks lets sort this out and > actually get something done there and then. tbh i think at this point this > is > more important than just about any other topic there... and not to just > talk > about, but to actually do immediately. if a few people sit around > converting > what we have into something simpler (docker images? something else?) and > beber > helps get it set up and goes over what is set up and why so we all > understand > better how it's glued together... > > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 06:39 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:35:39 +0200 Jonathan Aquilina < > > > jaquil...@eagleeyet.net> > > > said: > > > > > > > Beber you have my pgp key through keybase.io's application even > sent you > > > > a chat message. Also I noticed you are coming to the dev summit in 2 > > > > weeks time. Any chance we can sit down during the weekend and sort > out > > > > the server? > > > > > > it's gotten far worse in recent times. like every day it needs a reboot > > > these > > > days... > > > > > > > --- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Jonathan Aquilina > > > > > > > > On 2017-06-08 14:21, Amitesh Singh wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Mike Blumenkrantz < > > > > > michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> the new error page is an improvement at least > > > > > > > > > > Its down again :/ > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >> ------------------ > > > > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > -------------- > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > > http://andywilliams.me > > http://ajwillia.ms > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > -- http://andywilliams.me http://ajwillia.ms ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
