On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 00:29:51 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > gentoo has other issues like packages failing to install due to build > errors (and trying to fix that takes 5, 10+ minutes each try as it's > "build all the dependencies.. oh wait.. it still doesn't work ... 10 > mins later". it's an ordeal to update a kernel or anything where on > most other distros it's a few seconds... redhat, debian, ubuntu even > arch all have this be simple and just work in a matter of seconds... > out of the box.
That is a result of a Gentoo system not properly maintained and people looking to do things on Gentoo who are not as familiar. Which will make small tasks take much longer. Making a custom kernel on Gentoo is no different than other distros. Some distros ship pre-build kernels. But unless you are running SuSE or RHEL and buying certified hardware. You are just hoping the pre-built kernel runs better than a custom compiled one. > i have other things to do than to sink my days into server > maintenance so if something takes 5, 10 or 15mins when it should take > seconds... i'm going to be unhappy about it and looking for solutions > that remove that problem as well as solve the issue at hand. Server administration takes time. Over long periods of time it will take less to maintain Gentoo being a rolling distro than most others. Though binary rolling distros can be similar, you lose some flexibility. Harder to turn off unwanted lights turned on. > > I find it ironic how the suggestion of replacing Gentoo will cure > > all problems. What if it does not? What if it is hardware? A new > > distro will make no difference. > > unlike you, i've spent quite a lot of time looking at the problem and > investigating how it wobbles. my bet is not on it being hardware at > all based on how it behaves, manifests, keeps happening and how it > gets fixed. my bets are host kernel and it's config. it could be > hardware. it could also be witchcraft or satan himself, or a > microscopic alien space craft zapping the cpu... i think i'll stick > to suspicions based on investigation. :) Unlike you I have extensive experience with Gentoo, custom kernels, hosting, ken, kvm, qemu, etc. Not to mention systems administration. I was looking into some systems administrator positions with some large companies. Some who have thousands of Gentoo servers powering extremely popular and widely used products. I have a stack of SuperMicro servers in the other room with a variety of odd hardware problems. I have seen lots of very strange hardware issues. Which these problems sound more like hardware than software. More so that I read in IRC backlog a kernel was updated and it did not fix the issue sometime back. > and prebuilt kernels where? try google for gentoo prebuilt kernel and > good luck finding them or info on how to emerge them and not have to > already have built your own bin pkgs... and back to the "time sink > that is gentoo" where it is just the wrong thing for a server that > isn't just a toy. Gentoo does not provide pre-build kernels. Other than on livecd. There is a reason. Gentoo is for extremely experienced administrators who may be responsible for thousands of servers. I know of such deployments. It makes me laugh when people who do not know make such comments about Gentoo. It also shows lack of systems administration experience. Done right Gentoo can save massive time. Will Gentoo save you time on a single server. No. Will it save you time on hundreds or thousands.... YES!!!! :) For someone like me, adding in a single server with a few VMs to the systems I already maintain is pretty trivial. I already have build systems, custom profiles, ansible playbooks, etc. Just add it into the systems I already maintain. It is really not a big deal or require lots of time. Even to keep up to date. All my systems are updated weekly at minimum, for close to 2 decades now. > i'm not continuing this mail because it's also a waste of my time. I would think that to apply to many things that you like to get involved in. I wonder why you bother. Why not just say I care less about the administration stuff. I just want the stuff to be up always. Leave it to others, and you can not waste your time. Either way its a trend, clock, gpg, servers, etc. -- William L. Thomson Jr.
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