> > - is e16 still used/ supported?
> 
> its still used by people and supported by kim. (nice one kim!)
> 

Hi Carsten,

thanks for answering. Playing with both e16 and e17 made me like e16 more than 
e17. But e16 has some 'features' I cannot get to work.
For example: it is possible to create a systray using the menu's. The result is 
a little empty box. I have not the slightest clue how I can use it or fill with 
icons to start applications with (like a e17 shelf). I bet there must be some 
configuration file. If there is some example  or description about this, I'd be 
very happy.
I found some questions on the net about this, and the responses made me 
conclude it is necessary to install gnome or so. I hope this is not the case...


> > - e16 seems to support convenient user configurable menu's whereas e17 seems
> > to lack it. In e17, I found among the possible key bindings an action
> > labelled 'Show menu....' Is there some documentation on it, or can someone
> > explain how it can be used?
> 
> you'll need to be more specific here. what do you want to do with menus? e17
> has 6 menus it knows about right now. main, favorites, all, clients,
> lost_clients and configuration. by default left mouse on desktop is configured
> to show the main menu and middle mouse the clients menu. you can reconfigure
> bindings (mouse and keyboard) to show any of these named menus. there are
> pre-defined actions for showing favorites, all, clients and main menu. the
> window menu too actually but its context-dependent.

What I want to do is to make a menu with some submenu's. Looking for a way to 
activate it, I came  across this key binding. 'Show menu....'.
But it does nothing and I don't know what it is supposed to do.
Of course, I could make a custom menu and call it favorite.menu; your reply 
gives me enough hints to start with.

> 
> the favorites menu is configurable by the user - it shows the list of favorite
> apps to launch. you can create "apps" that run any command you like - create a
> new desktop file. there's configu dialogs in the apps menu under personal app
> launchers. you can configure the favorite applications list from the "favorite
> applications" gui dialog (select what is in it and the order).
> 
> if you truly want a custom nested menu - then the system applications menu is
> for that. it allows u to select which menu to use - you can create your own 
> but
> its an xml file u have to make and its a pain - almost no one needs such a
> thing so its manual - no worse than fvwm. this can define a list of desktop
> files like favorites as well as categories and more.

haha, no, being used to fvwm makes that I can deal with a lot of that stuff. 
Dont be afraid of frightening me off.

thanks, Rudd

                                          
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