On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:52:38 +0100 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella <jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com> said:
> @Alan McKinnon and @Mick, I will double check that, though I've had my > amount og Gentoo during more than a decade and I highly doubt that > leftovers and ABI breakage are an issue in this concrete case. > > @Karsten Haitzler, if you can give me some hint on what and how to look, > I'm willing to do so. I have some gdb-foo. But if the only way to solve the > bug is to buy a new laptop, then we're stuck. if you're getting system hard locks - no amount of gdbing is going to help you. :) trying a driver that is more stable - switch to traditional from gallium maybe? > I perfectly know that for this to happen, there must be a code path to it > in the kernel, up to X And the driver, mesa, the toolkit, and, finally, the > application. Even if it's an unconventional path (probably the case, > because as said no other software failed this way, ever). But, please, > don't tell me nouveau is perfect and never freezes, because I've seen it > fail in ways that are more colourful than a kaleidoscope. never said nouveau is perfect. i use it only on 1 test box. i use the nvidia drivers primarily on 1 workstation, and intel on most of my others. > Thanks everyone for answering :) > El 08/02/2014 15:33, "Mick" <michaelkintz...@gmail.com> escribió: > > > On Saturday 08 Feb 2014 13:45:55 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 12:34:34 +0100 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella > > > > > actually the ati chips are not one of the better supported. i have had NO > > > end of trouble with them. slowness, bugs, freezing etc. fglrx ati drivers > > > were the culprit at the time with the open drivers simply not working for > > > me at all (zero display). so as per this thread.. yes - userspace should > > > not be able to bring machines down like this... > > > > I used to have problems like this, but may be going back 10 years now ... > > these days hard crashes are a rarity. The last time I had such a crash it > > involved a Pentium 4 with a R360 card, running ... KDE! Ha, ha! No > > problems > > with e18. > > > > > > > UNLESS the drivers have major bugs. and they do. i solved my problems by > > > never touching an ati chip again. that was my solution, but let me just > > > disabuse you of the image that ati chips (eg r300) are so well supported > > > and solid. in my experience, they are not. the fact that sysreq wouldn't > > > even work is a big hint... your drivers have problems. it just so happens > > > that e is tickling them. > > > > > > people do say the newer radeon open source drivers work well, but i've > > > never gone back after my horrible experiences. i stick to intel or nvidia > > > (with nvidia drivers and one test machine with nouveau) and i don't see > > > anything close to the problems you see there. > > > > > > so my tip is... avoid fglrx like the plague and try new radeon drivers, > > and > > > even then... just change gpu's. also be aware the r300 is from memory an > > > old old old gpu. it may simply not work with compositing and opengl. evas > > > needs opengl2.0 support (full glsl shader support for fragment and vertex > > > shaders). so without this it will fall back to software compositing. > > > depending on your cpu, gfx drivers, memory bus architecture, location of > > > gpu on the mem bus etc. this may or may not work well for you. given the > > > abysmal readback speeds i saw with fglrx back in the day, the compositor > > > in sw mode relies on readback for any updates... and this will hurt > > badly. > > > all the reading back from pixmaps plus writing to them may be tickling > > > your driver bugs too. > > > > I am running RV730/M96-XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670] (ChipID = 0x9488) > > which is > > 5 years old on my laptop and very rarely I may get e17/18 to crash, but by > > clicking on 'Restart' or some such option that pops up it reloads and > > carries > > on. No hard locks. > > > > In defence of radeon I should say that the only time that I had to look > > into > > which driver was needed and which firmware blob was back when I first > > installed Linux on this machine and rolled its first kernel. People with > > NVidia post all sort of problems of incompatible driver version with > > particular kernels, but with radeon 'it just works'™. > > -- > > Regards, > > Mick > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications > > Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. > > Read the Whitepaper. > > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-users mailing list > > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications > Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. > Read the Whitepaper. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=121051231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Managing the Performance of Cloud-Based Applications Take advantage of what the Cloud has to offer - Avoid Common Pitfalls. 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