While I admit that I never installed any, all of the e17 themes strike me as highly individualistic, rather than something I would associate with mass appeal.
> It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking > abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me hexcodes/RBG values > for things that are suppose to "look modern" and "mesh well". > > I'm not an artist and I don't claim to be. I am just looking for reasonable > feedback that isn't "this sucks" to pass onto the folks working hard on > themes. > > A side note would be that I really wish we had a stable theme API so > everything could stop breaking every year. Really makes it hard to trust > E/devote time to themeing. That's just it though, you are dealing with something that is abstract, and I think this feedback has been reasonable. If there is someone out there that can give you precise color codes and tell you just how to apply them, they should probably be designing the theme in the first place. I really hate to suggest this, but if the people designing themes can't pull this off, maybe the wrong people are designing themes - obviously the other DEs are pulling it off or we would not be having this conversation. Although I do not know how to go about recruiting new talent. Perhaps you will consider the following more constructive: the way other DE's seem to do this is by developing, posting, and getting feedback on mock ups before committing to a design. This happens in a wash-rinse-repeat fashion. They also work within more restrictive and well established design parameters. Perhaps the theme API is too flexible for its own good. On 06/10/2014 04:15 PM, Jeff Hoogland wrote: > Chris, > > These same people complain about the default E theme and the dozens of E17 > themes out there. > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Christopher Barry < > christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Agreed. Bhodi's default theme is painful to look at. Read some Johannes >> Itten, like 'elements of color'. >> On Jun 10, 2014 3:35 PM, "mk" <joz_...@yahoo.ca> wrote: >> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> Red, orange, brown are not suitable colors for desktop environment. I >>> suspect you used orange as a menu highlight to symbolically indicate that >>> Bodhi is an ubuntu derivative. >>> >>> Not a good choice. Take it out. Mark Shuttleworth is an artistic >>> illiterate. >>> >>> Think of this: why matadors use red (orange is basically red a bit of >>> yellow added) to excite bulls? Why red is used to mark whorehouses? These >>> colors are extremely disturbing psychologically speaking. >>> >>> Here is a link on colors, explaining some basic things with examples. >>> >>> >>> >> http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2009/06/magic-of-simultaneous-contrast.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:09:53 PM, Yomi Ogunwumi <abyo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> I don't worry too much about the Settings Panel horror, because at some >>> point in the future this will be fixed, apparently. ¹ >>> >>> I also don't play around with Settings too much because I get lost. >>> >>> 1 : https://phab.enlightenment.org/T553 >>> -*Yomi* >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM, William <wjck...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> First a disclaimer: I Love Enlightenment and use it as my main >>>> workstation OS. While I only started using it full-time last year, I >>>> have been following it's development since 1997. As things stand, I >>>> would not want to use another system. >>>> >>>> The ugly and awful truth from my perspective: yes, Enlightenment is >>>> ugly. However, ugly is misinterpreted as awful. Compounding the problem >>>> is that Enlightenment is extraordinarily complex. I would venture to >>>> guess that easily 99% of people who try Enlightenment give up on it >>>> after less than two-hours. As all distros\WMs\DEs have a strong >> tendency >>>> to troll one another to different degrees, users in all groups >>>> universally troll against Enlightenment. I see it almost everyday. >>>> >>>> What is the difference with me? I could not possibly care less about >> the >>>> aesthetics of a user interface. It is what I can do with it that counts >>>> - how I can arrange my workflow. In that respect, Enlightenment is the >>>> most powerful environment available. My most favorite features is the >>>> ability to tell one of my displays to be a tiling WM. It is not merely >>>> the ability but the incredibly well thought out way it is designed. Of >>>> course, if you are a new user, you may never know the functionality >>>> exists since one must (comparatively) dig through a mountain of >> settings >>>> to find it. There are numerous other interface features to >> Enlightenment >>>> that I love, and when made to work together simply cannot be found >>>> anywhere else - not even close. But the settings are another barrier to >>>> entry. If you are not immediately turned off by Enlightenment's looks, >>>> browsing through the settings will send most running. When everything >> is >>>> approached at once through the settings panel, for many it is like >>>> trying to chisel a tunnel through the moon with a hammer. Some of the >>>> best settings are labeled in non-intuitive ways, and so are never >>>> explored. To this day, there are settings that even I don't know what >>>> they do. I fully appreciate why that may not be apparent to developers >>>> and long time users. >>>> >>>> I have long played with the thought that perhaps there should be a >>>> secondary, not so super-scary version of Enlightenment for "regular >>>> Linux users". This would have to have a default interface with highly >>>> refined aesthetics and functional defaults. It would also have to >>>> utterly gut the settings panel, of... most things. Basically a stupid >>>> version of Enlightenment. I think it could actually be popular, but I >> do >>>> not feel it is my place to champion such an idea. Further, it would >>>> double the complexity of development, and I want to make sure *MY* >> ugly, >>>> super-complicated, ultra-functional version of Enlightenment continues >>>> to exist. I LOVE it the way it is. So I suppose I am actually against >>>> the idea. Just the other day, I was on the elementary OS (polar >> opposite >>>> of Enlightenment) Google+ board where I am very active since that's the >>>> distro I put on other peoples computers. We were discussing the >> upcoming >>>> tiling windows manager plugin for elementary OS. I mentioned that I use >>>> Bodhi and briefly discussed its tiling feature. Of course, the hate >>>> descended. My next to the last post on the matter reads as follows and >> I >>>> think is most poignant: >>>> >>>> >>>> "This is true. However, I care absolutely nothing about aesthetics. ( I >>>> was desensitized after working with mainframes a long time ago) So in >> my >>>> case, ugliness does not interfere with my user experience as it does >>>> with others, and I don't mind extreme configuration. If elementary OS >>>> was extremely ugly but otherwise had the interface features I like >> about >>>> it, I would still love it just as much. Although I would not recommend >>>> it, let only install it on other peoples computers as I otherwise do. >>>> Much the same, I never ever recommend Bodhi or Enlightenment in general >>>> to anyone under any circumstances." >>>> >>>> You asked, >>>> >>>> William >>>> >>>> On 06/10/2014 09:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote: >>>>> Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts >>> on >>>>> this? >>>>> >>>>> Recent example -> >>>>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk >> Solutions >>>> Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems >>>> Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. 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